UK smoking ban for those born after 2009

[Not-The-Messiah]

We literally now live in a full time school filled with adults that have never needed to grow up.
"Miss, Timmy just call me a nasty name and it upset me".
"Miss, can I go to the toilet"

It's pathetic, whatever happened to personal responsibility and accountability. When you are an adult you are responsible for yourself and your own actions. If you F things up become addicted to stuff that mess your life up it's on you and you alone.

[Ian974]

County lines- the folk who set up nextdoor to my old flat complete with machetes, tasers, police raids, fighting in the street etc did enough to scare me regardless of what the label says.

Not a smoker, but it seems bizarre to be banning smoking tobacco, but to also seemingly have a push to legalise smoking cannabis at the same time?

Is this purely cigarettes, or is it tobacco in general? Goodbye to a celebratory special occasion cigar?

"Ah, smoking is not good for you, and it's been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal"

[BikeBikeBIke]

Mr Penguin said:

Start with things like cannabis and gradually expand it. Prohibition and extremely strict regulations / extremely high tax rates just puts all the money from sales into the hands of criminals, which is a bad thing to do.

+1

We tried, it failed.

Time to take the business out of the hands of criminals.

[Boringvolvodriver]

Not-The-Messiah said:

We literally now live in a full time school filled with adults that have never needed to grow up.
"Miss, Timmy just call me a nasty name and it upset me".
"Miss, can I go to the toilet"

It's pathetic, whatever happened to personal responsibility and accountability. When you are an adult you are responsible for yourself and your own actions. If you F things up become addicted to stuff that mess your life up it's on you and you alone.

It does rather look that way but then it has been a gradual change over several years. Whether things will change or not remains to be seen but I have a relatively short shelf life so probably won’t see what things are like in 25 years time.

[BoRED S2upid]

Boringvolvodriver said:

It does rather look that way but then it has been a gradual change over several years. Whether things will change or not remains to be seen but I have a relatively short shelf life so probably won’t see what things are like in 25 years time.

25 years time it will be illegal to leave your house because germs are out there.

[bitchstewie]

Nah never mind the germs it'll be the 15 minute cities that limit what you can do

Years back people were freaking out when they stopped smokers smoking in restaurants or offices or on flights.

Times change.

Honestly this is all a bit over the top.

[grumbledoak]

Anyone thinking this will stop at cigarettes is a bloody idiot.

[jameswills]

BoRED S2upid said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

It does rather look that way but then it has been a gradual change over several years. Whether things will change or not remains to be seen but I have a relatively short shelf life so probably won’t see what things are like in 25 years time.

25 years time it will be illegal to leave your house because germs are out there.

Unless it’s Thursday and you have a saucepan and wooden spoon to hand.

[Steve Campbell]

Not-The-Messiah said:

We literally now live in a full time school filled with adults that have never needed to grow up.
"Miss, Timmy just call me a nasty name and it upset me".
"Miss, can I go to the toilet"

It's pathetic, whatever happened to personal responsibility and accountability. When you are an adult you are responsible for yourself and your own actions. If you F things up become addicted to stuff that mess your life up it's on you and you alone.

I agree with the sentiment .... play stupid games, win stupid prizes etc etc.....however, the issue comes to a head when NHS is free at point of need and those within NHS are trying to decide whether Mrs Miggins from down the lane should have a hip operation or whether Mr Windymiller should be treated for lung cancer based on smoking 20 a day for 40 years. I don't know what the correct answer is, but trying to limit future generations spend on preventable healthcare things is a good thing if the NHS is to survive. I want the NHS to remain free at point of use regardless of the journey that got you in the door, but with an ever expanding & aging population, doing something to limit some of that future spend that could be preventable has got to be a good thing ?

[Dave200]

carlo996 said:

Dave200 said:

The UK has one of the lowest rates of knife crime and violent crime in the world, and "county lines" is a phrase invented to scare middle aged white people. Try taking a day off from the Daily Mail.

This is a really popular policy that has cross party voter support in a majority, and will make a meaningful different to health. If you'd rather dribble on about unrelated stuff that's your antiestablishment prerogative.

Great, so on one hand your moral crusade to prevent adults from smoking for the benefit of 'health', theirs I take it, doesn't extend the benefits of stopping people being stabbed?

the internet said:

How many stabbings are there in London?
The number of knife or sharp instrument offences recorded by the police in London rose to approximately 12,786 in 2022/23

You're in cloud cuckoo land if you don't think county lines is a problem. I'll wager I have a lot more personal experience in having to deal with drug addicted people, violent dealers, and general scum of the earth than most, and the carnage I have seen makes a smoking ban look ridiculous. It's a desperate act by a useless leader trying anything to generate positive headlines. Smoking will continue, the black market will light up (ho ho) and it'll change little...apart from opening the floodgates and allowing weak minded fools to knacker the personal freedoms that so many fought for.

As has been said many time already people like you seem happy to give up personal freedoms. And the obvious question is why? When big brother comes knocking at your door to impose it's will on your intake of alcohol, processed food, red meat, driving, sports, pet ownership......

But you won't mind will you, because whatever the Government say you'll be a good little citizen and tow the party line...for the greater good right?

Deluded you are.

Edited by carlo996 on Wednesday 17th April 11:43

Peak whataboutism. Just because I don't want adults to smoke means that I'm happy for them to be stabbed. You actually couldn't make that up. Excellent trolling.

[Dave200]

bhstewie said:

Nah never mind the germs it'll be the 15 minute cities that limit what you can do

Years back people were freaking out when they stopped smokers smoking in restaurants or offices or on flights.

Times change.

Honestly this is all a bit over the top.

It's just the classic antiestablishment schtick. People impotently raging against the machine and finding ridiculous ways to build tenuous arguments, hence the hilarious comparison to stabbing and county lines.

[wiggy001]

BoRED S2upid said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

It does rather look that way but then it has been a gradual change over several years. Whether things will change or not remains to be seen but I have a relatively short shelf life so probably won’t see what things are like in 25 years time.

25 years time it will be illegal to leave your house because germs are out there.

We've already seen the pilot scheme of that work a treat just a few years ago.

[BoRED S2upid]

wiggy001 said:

BoRED S2upid said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

It does rather look that way but then it has been a gradual change over several years. Whether things will change or not remains to be seen but I have a relatively short shelf life so probably won’t see what things are like in 25 years time.

25 years time it will be illegal to leave your house because germs are out there.

We've already seen the pilot scheme of that work a treat just a few years ago.

Exactly and the worrying thing the opposition party backs this government in almost everything. This power will go to their heads. It will be junk food to save the NHS next. They probably have a secret list.

[Vanden Saab]

Steve Campbell said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

We literally now live in a full time school filled with adults that have never needed to grow up.
"Miss, Timmy just call me a nasty name and it upset me".
"Miss, can I go to the toilet"

It's pathetic, whatever happened to personal responsibility and accountability. When you are an adult you are responsible for yourself and your own actions. If you F things up become addicted to stuff that mess your life up it's on you and you alone.

I agree with the sentiment .... play stupid games, win stupid prizes etc etc.....however, the issue comes to a head when NHS is free at point of need and those within NHS are trying to decide whether Mrs Miggins from down the lane should have a hip operation or whether Mr Windymiller should be treated for lung cancer based on smoking 20 a day for 40 years. I don't know what the correct answer is, but trying to limit future generations spend on preventable healthcare things is a good thing if the NHS is to survive. I want the NHS to remain free at point of use regardless of the journey that got you in the door, but with an ever expanding & aging population, doing something to limit some of that future spend that could be preventable has got to be a good thing ?

Anything preventable, bloody hell. Pull a muscle while out running, fall off your pushbike, crash your car while driving to the coast, slice your finger on a knife. Better stay at home and do nothing. We could make it law... oh wait.
Compulsory euthanasia at a certain age or if you catch certain dieases all good things...and once you have done all that you could always just smother children born with defects that might cost the NHS some money.

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

Steve Campbell said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

We literally now live in a full time school filled with adults that have never needed to grow up.
"Miss, Timmy just call me a nasty name and it upset me".
"Miss, can I go to the toilet"

It's pathetic, whatever happened to personal responsibility and accountability. When you are an adult you are responsible for yourself and your own actions. If you F things up become addicted to stuff that mess your life up it's on you and you alone.

I agree with the sentiment .... play stupid games, win stupid prizes etc etc.....however, the issue comes to a head when NHS is free at point of need and those within NHS are trying to decide whether Mrs Miggins from down the lane should have a hip operation or whether Mr Windymiller should be treated for lung cancer based on smoking 20 a day for 40 years. I don't know what the correct answer is, but trying to limit future generations spend on preventable healthcare things is a good thing if the NHS is to survive. I want the NHS to remain free at point of use regardless of the journey that got you in the door, but with an ever expanding & aging population, doing something to limit some of that future spend that could be preventable has got to be a good thing ?

Anything preventable, bloody hell. Pull a muscle while out running, fall off your pushbike, crash your car while driving to the coast, slice your finger on a knife. Better stay at home and do nothing. We could make it law... oh wait.
Compulsory euthanasia at a certain age or if you catch certain dieases all good things...and once you have done all that you could always just smother children born with defects that might cost the NHS some money.

Yes those are all directly comparable with a known addictive carcinogen that effects not just the user but those around them. Well done.

[bitchstewie]

Yep banning smoking is definitely the first step on a slippery slope towards eugenics.

Jesus christ

[Castrol for a knave]

Vanden Saab said:

Steve Campbell said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

We literally now live in a full time school filled with adults that have never needed to grow up.
"Miss, Timmy just call me a nasty name and it upset me".
"Miss, can I go to the toilet"

It's pathetic, whatever happened to personal responsibility and accountability. When you are an adult you are responsible for yourself and your own actions. If you F things up become addicted to stuff that mess your life up it's on you and you alone.

I agree with the sentiment .... play stupid games, win stupid prizes etc etc.....however, the issue comes to a head when NHS is free at point of need and those within NHS are trying to decide whether Mrs Miggins from down the lane should have a hip operation or whether Mr Windymiller should be treated for lung cancer based on smoking 20 a day for 40 years. I don't know what the correct answer is, but trying to limit future generations spend on preventable healthcare things is a good thing if the NHS is to survive. I want the NHS to remain free at point of use regardless of the journey that got you in the door, but with an ever expanding & aging population, doing something to limit some of that future spend that could be preventable has got to be a good thing ?

Anything preventable, bloody hell. Pull a muscle while out running, fall off your pushbike, crash your car while driving to the coast, slice your finger on a knife. Better stay at home and do nothing. We could make it law... oh wait.
Compulsory euthanasia at a certain age or if you catch certain dieases all good things...and once you have done all that you could always just smother children born with defects that might cost the NHS some money.

Steve makes a fair point - that a government has a responsibility to reduce the burden on the NHS. I think this is not so much a ban (it's pretty crap law really) but social engineering, to reduce the number of smokers over the long term.

The rest of your post is really hyperbole. It is not the thin end of the wedge for adventure sports, running or the utter merde that you peddle about handicapped kids.

[Randy Winkman]

bhstewie said:

Yep banning smoking is definitely the first step on a slippery slope towards eugenics.

Jesus christ

It's true though - and they send you to jail for saying you're English these days.

[Halmyre]

stuckmojo said:

carlo996 said:

You're in cloud cuckoo land if you don't think county lines is a problem. I'll wager I have a lot more personal experience in having to deal with drug addicted people, violent dealers, and general scum of the earth than most, and the carnage I have seen makes a smoking ban look ridiculous. It's a desperate act by a useless leader trying anything to generate positive headlines. Smoking will continue, the black market will light up (ho ho) and it'll change little...apart from opening the floodgates and allowing weak minded fools to knacker the personal freedoms that so many fought for.

As has been said many time already people like you seem happy to give up personal freedoms. And the obvious question is why? When big brother comes knocking at your door to impose it's will on your intake of alcohol, processed food, red meat, driving, sports, pet ownership......

But you won't mind will you, because whatever the Government say you'll be a good little citizen and tow the party line...for the greater good right?

Deluded you are.

Edited by carlo996 on Wednesday 17th April 11:43

Word.

Salad.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Steve Campbell said:

trying to limit future generations spend on preventable healthcare things is a good thing if the NHS is to survive. ?

We need to scrap the NHS ASAP.

I want my healthcare to look after me, I don't want me to have to give up stuff to protect my healthcare provider.

You just don't get French people making sacrifices to protect a bloody monopoly!

On the issue under discussion nobody is saying we will smoke less. The plan is to stop ships selling cigarette to certain people. Those people will still be able to buy cigarettes, just not legally. I'm pretty sure 90pc of UK cigarettes are already illegally imported to dodge the tax as things stand.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Wednesday 17th April 13:48