Your voting intentions

[chrispmartha]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

Where did she call Tory voters scum?
She's not being investigated for tax fraud.
She's a front bench minister that has debated and provided arguments throughout her career.

So given all that's false by yourself, you do seem to have only one direction of attack...

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

I refer the honourable gentleman to the post I made earlier.

She's not speaking. She's just the eye candy for the hard or thinking. She's incapable of debate. You only have to see that famous piece where Andrew Neil took her apart.

Ah the misogynistic views of PH rise again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59081482

[url]BBC News - A simple guide to the Angela Rayner house row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68885428[/u...
It's not difficult to find.

“ Last month Ms Rayner was reported to have called Conservative ministers "a bunch of scum”

Maybe read your easy to find links.

[Evanivitch]

chrispmartha said:

So not a manifesto then.

Would you prefer them to lie to you and promise the earth?

I'm waiting for the depsrting chancellors note to read "There's loads of money, spend away!"

[bitchstewie]

The interesting little bit of context behind that snippet is that she apologised unreservedly (as she should have) for what she said.

Angela Rayner 'unreservedly' apologises for Conservative 'scum' comments

I believe exactly off the back of some of the abuse she's received, some resulting in a man getting 15 weeks in prison, being a bit of a wake-up call.

[chrispmartha]

119 said:

chrispmartha said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

She didn’t call tory voters scum.

"Her comments came after a man was sentenced for sending a threatening email telling her to "watch your back and kids".

How does her comment even translate to Tory ministers then?

Because no where in that article does it say the two things are linked.

[119]

chrispmartha said:

119 said:

chrispmartha said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

She didn’t call tory voters scum.

"Her comments came after a man was sentenced for sending a threatening email telling her to "watch your back and kids".

How does her comment even translate to Tory ministers then?

Because no where in that article does it say the two things are linked.

Yeah ok.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

chrispmartha said:

“ Last month Ms Rayner was reported to have called Conservative ministers "a bunch of scum”

Maybe read your easy to find links.

So that's OK then?

Very professional. Because if you remember, you were defending her being professional. But in typical left wing whatabouttery, you are trying to change the subject and go off on a tangent.

[chrispmartha]

119 said:

chrispmartha said:

119 said:

chrispmartha said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

She didn’t call tory voters scum.

"Her comments came after a man was sentenced for sending a threatening email telling her to "watch your back and kids".

How does her comment even translate to Tory ministers then?

Because no where in that article does it say the two things are linked.

Yeah ok.

Not my issue if you can’t read and comprehend the written word.

[119]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

chrispmartha said:

“ Last month Ms Rayner was reported to have called Conservative ministers "a bunch of scum”

Maybe read your easy to find links.

So that's OK then?

Very professional. Because if you remember, you were defending her being professional. But in typical left wing whatabouttery, you are trying to change the subject and go off on a tangent.

I was doing a quick ~Google to try and find other MPs who have used questionable language and guess what..?

[chrispmartha]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

chrispmartha said:

“ Last month Ms Rayner was reported to have called Conservative ministers "a bunch of scum”

Maybe read your easy to find links.

So that's OK then?

Very professional. Because if you remember, you were defending her being professional. But in typical left wing whatabouttery, you are trying to change the subject and go off on a tangent.

I r not defended her anywhere let alone her being a professional.

Calling people scum is not ok, but she didn’t call tory voters scum.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

I was going to post that Tory ministers are probably Tory voters, but I suppose you can't take anything for granted.

[Evanivitch]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

chrispmartha said:

“ Last month Ms Rayner was reported to have called Conservative ministers "a bunch of scum”

Maybe read your easy to find links.

So that's OK then?

Very professional. Because if you remember, you were defending her being professional. But in typical left wing whatabouttery, you are trying to change the subject and go off on a tangent.

You've literally whatabouted your misogynistic remarks by pointing to her comments that are completely unrelated (and still you can't read your own links)

[Silvanus]

chrispmartha said:

119 said:

chrispmartha said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She is probably one of the least professional among the Labour Party. She called Tory voters scum. She is being investigated for potential tax fraud and is incapable of debate and rational argument because of her IQ.

None of that is misogyny. I haven't commented on her appearance at all. It is irrelevant.

She didn’t call tory voters scum.

"Her comments came after a man was sentenced for sending a threatening email telling her to "watch your back and kids".

How does her comment even translate to Tory ministers then?

Because no where in that article does it say the two things are linked.

Article states 'Ms Rayner was reported to have called Conservative ministers "a bunch of scum" and described the prime minister as a "racist, homophobic misogynist", doesnt stop people twisting things though. I'm no fan of Rayner, but she really is a trigger to some.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

chrispmartha said:

I r not defended her anywhere let alone her being a professional.

Calling people scum is not ok, but she didn’t call tory voters scum.

She's still being investigated for potential tax fraud though.

And before you get all frothy about that, the Tories are no better.

[Evanivitch]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

She's still being investigated for potential tax fraud though.

And before you get all frothy about that, the Tories are no better.

Literally isn't being investigated by the police for tax fraud.

Nor is she being investigated by the tax man.

She's apparently being investigated for electoral law offences, but the obvious ones have exceeded the time limit. Police don't investigate for a few grand in tax, that's HMRC's job. They concluded theirs.

[valiant]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

I was going to post that Tory ministers are probably Tory voters, but I suppose you can't take anything for granted.

That’s a bit of a stretch to try justify your erroneous earlier comment.

It’s clear by ‘Tory voter’ to mean ordinary people who vote Tory and by which her comment was NOT directed to.

[SWoll]

CivicDuties said:

It is utterly perverse to shout "democracy, will of the people" when you win, and then shout "no, you may not have more democracy" when you find people disagree with the result.

That's a ridiculous statement. Based on that logic every vote would go around and around every 5 minutes until the end of time as 100% consensus on any subject is never going to happen.

CivicDuties said:

The situation we've experienced since 2016 is an excellent illustration of why plebiscites on single subjects are an enormously bad idea, and governance should be performed through Parliament and our system of representative democracy. I don't want another referendum on the EU, I want to elect a government which will return us to the EU on a manifesto promise. But people and parties are entitled to campaign for another one at any time if they see fit, as I said there are no statues of limitation on democracy.

I agree that the referendum should never have gone ahead as the vast majority had no idea what they were voting for and still don't, but suggesting overturning it via a GE where the reasons for voting for a specific party are far more broad and nuanced than a single topic also isn't democracy IMHO. There will be huge numbers of Labour voters who voted for Brexit as an example, what would they do if Labour made overturning it a manifesto promise?

[chrispmartha]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

chrispmartha said:

I r not defended her anywhere let alone her being a professional.

Calling people scum is not ok, but she didn’t call tory voters scum.

She's still being investigated for potential tax fraud though.

And before you get all frothy about that, the Tories are no better.

The Police don’t investigate tax fraud.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Evanivitch said:

You've literally whatabouted your misogynistic remarks by pointing to her comments that are completely unrelated (and still you can't read your own links)

Perhaps you could explain what is misogynistic in my posts? I've called her thick, because she is. I've also said that she's there because stupid people find her physically attractive. I don't see either of those things as being misogyny.

Other posters have made comments that could be seen as misogynistic. I don't see mine that way.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

chrispmartha said:

The Police don’t investigate tax fraud.

Show me where I said that they do please.

[Evanivitch]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Perhaps you could explain what is misogynistic in my posts? I've called her thick, because she is. I've also said that she's there because stupid people find her physically attractive. I don't see either of those things as being misogyny.

Other posters have made comments that could be seen as misogynistic. I don't see mine that way.

There you go. You clearly can't accept your own actions. Nor read your own links.