Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 10

[Garvin]

Roderick Spode said:

Lotobear said:

Lim said:

It’s tory’s main chance before the election to dent snp. Covid unlikely to be an option. They better make it count. It’s making a lot of noise but can’t see any armour pierced yet. Though polling of DKs and non snp vote does seem dented. But Snp hull is holding firm. Unlikely to be any surprises
In testimony.

And of course it’s all proxy bks. Nobody is under illusions about that. Enough people have stood up for LA now. The conspiracy is no weight outside headlines

Edited by Lim on Friday 26th February 10:08

Oh dear Alistair must be having another one of his faux black dog days - he does come over as truly desperate these days, and must the absolute essence of a 'butt hurt' loser. He should return to writing soft porn

The egregious Mr Campbell is hardly likely to write in gushingly praiseworthy tones about the Westminster government. He is also hardly likely to write in deeply critical tones about the SNP nor the devolution settlement, both of which are creations/results of his and HRH Smiler Blair. Without the shambolic devolution administrations, both the SNP and Paid Cymru would still be marginal regional parties of little consequence.

It’s just deflection. It’s all going tits up for Labour - Boris inexorably climbing in the polls whilst Starmer sinks and, to cap it all, Campbell realises that the Scottish administration is now an embarrassing corrupt regime and that he is in danger of being personally tarred by association with its formation so better shout “look, a squirrel” and provide the intellectually challenged Scottish folk some ammunition to do the same.

[Quisling]

Leithen said:

The only explanation for the remarkable attempts to sideline any inquiry into Salmond's prosecution must be that Sturgeon has been caught in a lie.

The question is how big is that lie? It could be that a narcissistic belief in infallibility has meant that even the smallest lie must be denied. Or it could be that the lie really is that damaging.

Given the hubris of the individual involved, it would be quite remarkable that any smaller lie wasn't seen for what it is, admitted and ignored.

Yes there appears to be a great deal of hiding going on from a government who has nothing to hide

[wobert]

Quisling said:

Leithen said:

The only explanation for the remarkable attempts to sideline any inquiry into Salmond's prosecution must be that Sturgeon has been caught in a lie.

The question is how big is that lie? It could be that a narcissistic belief in infallibility has meant that even the smallest lie must be denied. Or it could be that the lie really is that damaging.

Given the hubris of the individual involved, it would be quite remarkable that any smaller lie wasn't seen for what it is, admitted and ignored.

Yes there appears to be a great deal of hiding going on from a government who has nothing to hide

This.....in big piles.....

[ant1973]

WackyWeaver said:

Quisling said:

If we had decent politicians in holyrood then we wouldn’t need Galloway

Who knows

If we had decent politicians in holyrood then wee nickies power trip would of ended YEARS ago

Hell

Folk like me MIGHT even vote to end the union

However as this is nothing more than a unionist conspiracy

How did we get all the evidence that shows queen Nicola in a bad light redacted?

Isn’t ‘decent politicians’ kind of an oxymoron? They don’t exist.

I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy in either direction. Just saying that some of the nonsense I’ve seen online detracts from the real issue. Seen people actually claiming “those in the know” have confirmed that Salmond disappearing prior to his hearing is a real possibility and again this does not exactly give the side credibility. What next, just throw in accusations that Bill Gates is in on it and that Sturgeon is actually an android designed to destroy the Union?

That’ll get the voters on side!

I think every denial of conspiracy by her might fairly be met by the following questions:-

1. Why did your husband think it was necessary or appropriate to tell others to intimate police complaints to the Met?

2. "The more fronts he is having to firefight on the better for all complainers.” What interest did he have in achieving this end - particularly for those not employed by the SNP?

3. In what sense was it "better". The best outcome was for matters to be properly investigated with a view to establishing the truth.

4. Are we honestly expected to believe that husband and wife have never discussed any of this?

[Quisling]

ant1973 said:

4. Are we honestly expected to believe that husband and wife have never discussed any of this?

that depends on how often they are in the same

erm

house?

[Garvin]

Leithen said:

The only explanation for the remarkable attempts to sideline any inquiry into Salmond's prosecution must be that Sturgeon has been caught in a lie.

The question is how big is that lie? It could be that a narcissistic belief in infallibility has meant that even the smallest lie must be denied. Or it could be that the lie really is that damaging.

Given the hubris of the individual involved, it would be quite remarkable that any smaller lie wasn't seen for what it is, admitted and ignored.

It’s not the lie per se but the further implications of that lie. It is clear that Salmond is out for revenge and the little issue of a lie is not going to cut it for him. He wants the full association with the plot to get him jailed to bring down Sturgeon to a level from which there is no recovery possible, ever. Sturgeon fully realises this hence the extraordinary efforts to try and stop any traction, however small, being gained.

I despise both these individuals and care not if both their political careers go up in smoke but if this spat fully exposes the corrupt nature of the Scottish devolved set up and brings about reform then I see this as the silver lining of this unsavoury cloud.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

wobert said:

Quisling said:

Leithen said:

The only explanation for the remarkable attempts to sideline any inquiry into Salmond's prosecution must be that Sturgeon has been caught in a lie.

The question is how big is that lie? It could be that a narcissistic belief in infallibility has meant that even the smallest lie must be denied. Or it could be that the lie really is that damaging.

Given the hubris of the individual involved, it would be quite remarkable that any smaller lie wasn't seen for what it is, admitted and ignored.

Yes there appears to be a great deal of hiding going on from a government who has nothing to hide

This.....in big piles.....

Yep this in huge monstrous piles, and disregard the idiotic Sturgeon rear lickers, most people I speak to are asking
the exact same question, even folk that are generally not even slightly interested in politics, from what I can
deduce from pers comm the ones that are on Sturgeons side are a small minority, the majority are
looking a bit deeper and asking WTAF is going on here.

And another thing, I asked 53 people I know well enough to ask (via email and some in person) all Scottish
residents, if they have ever been asked about independence by a polling company, guess what...not one of
them has, still waiting on 2 replies though so you never know.

I think we all well know though, polls are by and large utter BS, especially the ones conducted by those that
want to see a specific outcome. Thinking there will be another one very very soon.

Edited by Pastor Of Muppets on Friday 26th February 11:19

[Dr Jekyll]

NS has a tendency to use the sheer volume of evidence of wrongdoing to muddy the water,

The fact that Murrell is her husband makes it even odder that he claims not to have known what was going on but I've seen her deflect a question on the issue by saying 'how dare you bring my family into this?'

When anyone points that (Mr) Murrell changed his story from 'meeting what meeting' to being there to perhaps sticking his head round the door, her response is 'what does it really matter to anyone whether he stuck his head round a door?'

When she's trying to argue that evidence is redacted purely to protect anonymity even though it's already been in the public domain, she says 'how can it be a cover up if it's already in the public domain'.

[Lotobear]

Garvin said:

It’s just deflection. It’s all going tits up for Labour - Boris inexorably climbing in the polls whilst Starmer sinks and, to cap it all, Campbell realises that the Scottish administration is now an embarrassing corrupt regime and that he is in danger of being personally tarred by association with its formation so better shout “look, a squirrel” and provide the intellectually challenged Scottish folk some ammunition to do the same.

Actually, you have nailed it right there!

[is-uk]

[amusingduck]

^^ Very good

[paulrockliffe]

Lotobear said:

Garvin said:

It’s just deflection. It’s all going tits up for Labour - Boris inexorably climbing in the polls whilst Starmer sinks and, to cap it all, Campbell realises that the Scottish administration is now an embarrassing corrupt regime and that he is in danger of being personally tarred by association with its formation so better shout “look, a squirrel” and provide the intellectually challenged Scottish folk some ammunition to do the same.

Actually, you have nailed it right there!

It's fun though, watching Campbell complain about Government's breaking the law.

Anyway, I saw this morning that Galloway was complaining that BBS Scotland are referring to Johnson as "The Prime Minister of England." They can't have done that surely?

[amusingduck]

Troubleatmill said:

And on Iplayer....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0070w64


Might need to plug in the second monitor here and have a running commentary on this thread......

I'm in!

I'm also going to keep an eye on the /r/Scotland megathread

https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/lsv6i5/...

It's already highly entertaining

[Roderick Spode]

amusingduck said:

I'm in!

I'm also going to keep an eye on the /r/Scotland megathread

https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/lsv6i5/...

It's already highly entertaining

Wow. This helps me recall why I don't follow reddit. Some spectacularly unhinged members of the Saint Nicola Fanclub on there.

[hidetheelephants]

Quisling said:

Leithen said:

The only explanation for the remarkable attempts to sideline any inquiry into Salmond's prosecution must be that Sturgeon has been caught in a lie.

The question is how big is that lie? It could be that a narcissistic belief in infallibility has meant that even the smallest lie must be denied. Or it could be that the lie really is that damaging.

Given the hubris of the individual involved, it would be quite remarkable that any smaller lie wasn't seen for what it is, admitted and ignored.

Yes there appears to be a great deal of hiding going on from a government who has nothing to hide

Such is the cack-handedness it is being handed with it now wouldn't surprise me if during one of NS's daytime TV monologues Murrell put in an appearance, in the manner of a Brian Rix farce, stumbling backwards through the curtain behind her with trousers round his knees, clutching a big sack labelled "suppressed testimony" and stabbing frantically at a smart phone with Alexa* repeating "finding incriminating whatsapp messages", "deleting".




*I have turned into my father and now don't understand either whatsapp or smart phone "assistants"; it probably doesn't work like that.

[Ridgemont]

Roderick Spode said:

amusingduck said:

I'm in!

I'm also going to keep an eye on the /r/Scotland megathread

https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/lsv6i5/...

It's already highly entertaining

Wow. This helps me recall why I don't follow reddit. Some spectacularly unhinged members of the Saint Nicola Fanclub on there.

This should be spectacularly entertaining. I suspect all eyes will be on Fabiani’s management of the process given her previous with Salmond. Might keep an eye for the gnashing of teeth on Wings.

[irc]

Who knew? It is possible for someone other than Chief Mammy to do the daily virus briefing. Jean Freeman doing it today. Wonder why Nicola took the day off today.

[is-uk]

This is hilarious....

[Janluke]

[Ridgemont]

These daily pressers from scogov really are pointless.