Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?
Discussion
Eighteeteewhy said:
What a load of steamy tinfoil hat wibble; I'll restrict myself to addressing the most obvious problem with this pile of st, the SU 25 has a service ceiling of 22k feet and would have a great deal of difficulty shooting down a 777 flying at ~40k feet.hidetheelephants said:
Eighteeteewhy said:
What a load of steamy tinfoil hat wibble; I'll restrict myself to addressing the most obvious problem with this pile of st, the SU 25 has a service ceiling of 22k feet and would have a great deal of difficulty shooting down a 777 flying at ~40k feet.Several problems with that photo it would seem,
1. The "Malaysia" logo is in the wrong place
2. The plane in the picture looked like a slightly altered version of the one that tops the search results if you Google "Boeing view from above" in Russian
3. It also happens to be a publicity photo of a Boeing 767, not the 777, which was shot down over Ukraine in July.
4. The fighter jet is not consistent with a Ukrainian Su-27
5. The shape of clouds in the satellite match those from a Google Earth photo of the area taken on 28 August 2012.
Furthermore, those who carried out a reverse image search on Google found that the photograph with the two planes was not so new or exclusive after all: it was first uploaded to a Russian forum on 15 October. Its source was claimed to be "enthusiasts from the Russian wikileaks".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30064374
1. The "Malaysia" logo is in the wrong place
2. The plane in the picture looked like a slightly altered version of the one that tops the search results if you Google "Boeing view from above" in Russian
3. It also happens to be a publicity photo of a Boeing 767, not the 777, which was shot down over Ukraine in July.
4. The fighter jet is not consistent with a Ukrainian Su-27
5. The shape of clouds in the satellite match those from a Google Earth photo of the area taken on 28 August 2012.
Furthermore, those who carried out a reverse image search on Google found that the photograph with the two planes was not so new or exclusive after all: it was first uploaded to a Russian forum on 15 October. Its source was claimed to be "enthusiasts from the Russian wikileaks".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30064374
skyrover said:
Several problems with that photo it would seem,
1. The "Malaysia" logo is in the wrong place
2. The plane in the picture looked like a slightly altered version of the one that tops the search results if you Google "Boeing view from above" in Russian
3. It also happens to be a publicity photo of a Boeing 767, not the 777, which was shot down over Ukraine in July.
4. The fighter jet is not consistent with a Ukrainian Su-27
5. The shape of clouds in the satellite match those from a Google Earth photo of the area taken on 28 August 2012.
Furthermore, those who carried out a reverse image search on Google found that the photograph with the two planes was not so new or exclusive after all: it was first uploaded to a Russian forum on 15 October. Its source was claimed to be "enthusiasts from the Russian wikileaks".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30064374
Looks like a big fat fake then..1. The "Malaysia" logo is in the wrong place
2. The plane in the picture looked like a slightly altered version of the one that tops the search results if you Google "Boeing view from above" in Russian
3. It also happens to be a publicity photo of a Boeing 767, not the 777, which was shot down over Ukraine in July.
4. The fighter jet is not consistent with a Ukrainian Su-27
5. The shape of clouds in the satellite match those from a Google Earth photo of the area taken on 28 August 2012.
Furthermore, those who carried out a reverse image search on Google found that the photograph with the two planes was not so new or exclusive after all: it was first uploaded to a Russian forum on 15 October. Its source was claimed to be "enthusiasts from the Russian wikileaks".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30064374
Very sad that someone has even produced it .
numtumfutunch said:
Bump!
There has been nothing in the media about this for ages
Has it been intentionally managed/allowed to quietly fade away?
This is what happens. Other news comes along, the culprits are out of the news for a bit, it will resurface when there is anything to add. Its how the news works. The other airliner pos up every now and then as they are still looking for it.There has been nothing in the media about this for ages
Has it been intentionally managed/allowed to quietly fade away?
Unbelievably, or perhaps quite believably, the Russians are STILL saying they have no troops in Eastern Ukraine.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/21/us-ukrai...
Now there's fibbing, telling a porky, lying through your teeth, or there's this - maintaining a completely deluded mind set that should have been long gone with the end of the cold war.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/21/us-ukrai...
Now there's fibbing, telling a porky, lying through your teeth, or there's this - maintaining a completely deluded mind set that should have been long gone with the end of the cold war.
Cobnapint said:
Unbelievably, or perhaps quite believably, the Russians are STILL saying they have no troops in Eastern Ukraine.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/21/us-ukrai...
Now there's fibbing, telling a porky, lying through your teeth, or there's this - maintaining a completely deluded mind set that should have been long gone with the end of the cold war.
Look up "Maskirovka"http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/21/us-ukrai...
Now there's fibbing, telling a porky, lying through your teeth, or there's this - maintaining a completely deluded mind set that should have been long gone with the end of the cold war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maskirovka
Edited by skyrover on Friday 30th January 11:40
skyrover said:
Munter said:
Basically, any time anybody involved with Russian military has lips moving. They Lie.
Indeed, they will often admit it to you later... proudly. (like all good patriotic citizens doing their part)Denying something when the other person has no way of proving otherwise is one thing. But denying it when the internet is awash with footage of their armour, helicopters and troops well inside Ukraine, is sheer stupidity.
Cobnapint said:
They've clearly been born without the embarrassment chip then.
Denying something when the other person has no way of proving otherwise is one thing. But denying it when the internet is awash with footage of their armour, helicopters and troops well inside Ukraine, is sheer stupidity.
US mercenaries are and have been all over Ukraine. What is the difference? Both sides are playing the same game, with the exception that the Russians are on the defensive as they see the coup as a direct threat. It's all rather obvious to anyone that has even a modicum of an idea of how geopolitics work. Denying something when the other person has no way of proving otherwise is one thing. But denying it when the internet is awash with footage of their armour, helicopters and troops well inside Ukraine, is sheer stupidity.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-kris...
scherzkeks said:
US mercenaries are and have been all over Ukraine. What is the difference? Both sides are playing the same game, with the exception that the Russians are on the defensive as they see the coup as a direct threat. It's all rather obvious to anyone that has even a modicum of an idea of how geopolitics work.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-kris...
The difference is clear, the Russians are breaking every international law in the book by trying to establish a land link between Russia and the already stolen Crimea by violating Ukraine's international border with debadged fully paid up Russian forces.http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-kris...
The mercs, in what small numbers they maybe, are trying, quite rightly, to defend it.
It's not the same game, it's the difference between right and wrong.
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