CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)
Discussion
BigMon said:
119 said:
Ari said:
119 said:
Every single one of those was pretty much on its knees before covid.
But imagine what (for example) the NHS would look like today if even a proprtion of the money that was sprayed into the air was spent wisely instead. Just Tack and Trace - forget everything else, just that cost £37,000,000,000. And for what? What benefit was it?
And now we're expected to shrug our shoulders and go 'ah well, we'll just move on, things were quite bad before, after all'.
You try moving on when you're waiting seven hours for an ambulance because the NHS is so woefully underfunded and mismanaged.
As for air ambulances, I think they they get a percentage from the NHS but most is funded by donations etc.
I have many concerns about the whole Covid response but, realistically, there is absolutely fark all that's tangible any of us can do to change it now.
Doesn't mean forgive and forget, and by all means learn lessons from it, but what can anyone do?
cherryowen said:
BigMon said:
Doesn't mean forgive and forget, and by all means learn lessons from it, but what can anyone do?
That, for me, draws a line under the whole sorry mess.119 said:
Ari said:
119 said:
Every single one of those was pretty much on its knees before covid.
But imagine what (for example) the NHS would look like today if even a proprtion of the money that was sprayed into the air was spent wisely instead. Just Tack and Trace - forget everything else, just that cost £37,000,000,000. And for what? What benefit was it?
And now we're expected to shrug our shoulders and go 'ah well, we'll just move on, things were quite bad before, after all'.
You try moving on when you're waiting seven hours for an ambulance because the NHS is so woefully underfunded and mismanaged.
As for air ambulances, I think they they get a percentage from the NHS but most is funded by donations etc.
As to the rest, yes absolutely there is. As a very bare minimum it needs to be talked about and questioned by the public so that people are aware of, and think about, what happened.
It was VERY clear that much of government policy was based on doing what was seen to be popular (introducing 'face coverings' in response to social media pleading for them after being adamant they were of no benefit, and likely to be harmful - as indeed proved to be the case, an obvious example).
It was also VERY clear that we were simply lied to about the severity of the situation: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/21/govern...
People need to be asking why anyone questioning The Narrative was silenced? TalkRadio having its entire YouTube channel taken down for daring to question The Narrative a perfect example.
If the national response to such frankly outrageous decision making by people who clearly understood there was no serious risk for most of us (see 10 Downing Street parties) causing such long term damage is to just shrug and say 'Oh well, there's nothing we can do about it', then what do you think will happen next time?
Genuine question, by the way. Next time we have a pandemic, what do YOU think will happen? A more measured response? Or simply more of the same panic, fear mongering and money-spraying?
I’m more concerned that people are not talking about it more, are not more angry about what happened and don’t seem to be thinking that this sort of response is now a de facto option, what do you think will happen for any future events they dream up worthy to respond again? No one is still to say it was wrong, they are still forging ahead with further vaccination plans, digital ID and digital health applications.
alangla said:
Before Covid I could get a routine NHS dentist appointment at my local practice at the time of my choice in about 3 weeks. I’ve just waited 4 months for a routine appointment & I haven’t had an invite to a checkup for 4 years, used to get them every 6 months.
A lot of things were creaking & groaning, but the response to the pandemic pushed them over the edge.
Interesting. A lot of things were creaking & groaning, but the response to the pandemic pushed them over the edge.
It probably is down to areas.
Had a tooth giving me a bif of gyp last month, rang up my NHS dentist and was in at 10.00 am the next morning. Have been going there since 1971, mind.
My mrs. had the same experience with getting a doctor's appointment for a sore wrist last year. Rang up and in the next day, which surprised us both.
Both doctor and dentist here in East London.
vixen1700 said:
Interesting.
It probably is down to areas.
Had a tooth giving me a bif of gyp last month, rang up my NHS dentist and was in at 10.00 am the next morning. Have been going there since 1971, mind.
My mrs. had the same experience with getting a doctor's appointment for a sore wrist last year. Rang up and in the next day, which surprised us both.
Both doctor and dentist here in East London.
To be fair, your dentist appointment would probably have been classed as an emergency and I’m sure my dentist would see me reasonably quickly if I rang up with a similar issue. It’s the routine, preventative stuff that’s becoming impossible here. Whether they’d deal with the emergency as an NHS job or push me to go private is another question.It probably is down to areas.
Had a tooth giving me a bif of gyp last month, rang up my NHS dentist and was in at 10.00 am the next morning. Have been going there since 1971, mind.
My mrs. had the same experience with getting a doctor's appointment for a sore wrist last year. Rang up and in the next day, which surprised us both.
Both doctor and dentist here in East London.
I’m pleased your doctor is pretty responsive, that’s good to hear, maybe things are better in London than in the SNP’s messed up NHS.
mko9 said:
Be honest about the impacts? Identify those responsible, elected or appointed, and make sure they never work in government again? Make sure the "experts" reputations are permanently impacted, so they are never in a position to influence decision making again?
Not saying I disagree with any of that but who is going to do it if 'those in power' can't be arsed for whatever reason (malicious or otherwise) anyone applies to that?jameswills said:
I’m more concerned that people are not talking about it more, are not more angry about what happened and don’t seem to be thinking that this sort of response is now a de facto option, what do you think will happen for any future events they dream up worthy to respond again? No one is still to say it was wrong, they are still forging ahead with further vaccination plans, digital ID and digital health applications.
Sadly this will all be swept under the carpet as the government and media rush to the next thing to be hysterical about.
alangla said:
vixen1700 said:
Interesting.
It probably is down to areas.
Had a tooth giving me a bif of gyp last month, rang up my NHS dentist and was in at 10.00 am the next morning. Have been going there since 1971, mind.
My mrs. had the same experience with getting a doctor's appointment for a sore wrist last year. Rang up and in the next day, which surprised us both.
Both doctor and dentist here in East London.
To be fair, your dentist appointment would probably have been classed as an emergency and I’m sure my dentist would see me reasonably quickly if I rang up with a similar issue. It’s the routine, preventative stuff that’s becoming impossible here. Whether they’d deal with the emergency as an NHS job or push me to go private is another question.It probably is down to areas.
Had a tooth giving me a bif of gyp last month, rang up my NHS dentist and was in at 10.00 am the next morning. Have been going there since 1971, mind.
My mrs. had the same experience with getting a doctor's appointment for a sore wrist last year. Rang up and in the next day, which surprised us both.
Both doctor and dentist here in East London.
I’m pleased your doctor is pretty responsive, that’s good to hear, maybe things are better in London than in the SNP’s messed up NHS.
- Family move to new area.
- NHS website puts forward 50 dentists to choose from.
- Of the 50, only 3 are accepting new patients.
- Of the 3, only 1 is accepting new child patients.
- Contact is made with the single option available and a contact number left - 'we will get back to you as we work through the list of people'
- Follow-up calls are made because no call back is received
- A call is finally received 6? 8? months after initial contact.
- 'We can see you in 4 weeks if you do a 'quasi-private' arrangement that costs you at least double for the fees, or...
- ... we can see you in 6 months when the next fully-NHS appointment is available.'
In the meantime, £1500 has to be magicked out of thin air to be spent on private treatment for a root canal and crown because the seemingly single daily 'emergency' appointments available locally have to be booked at 8am in the morning - if you can get through and if no-one else books it first, of course, and even then, it seems root canal and crown work cannot be done as an emergency or in good time.
Great service.
If it is indeed the case that NHS dentists haven't had an increase in the fees they can claim from Government in 18 years, which the private practice dentist told me, it is no wonder it is in such a parlous state.
119 said:
blade runner said:
Absolutely. The after effects of our response to covid are causing real issues now (inflation, government borrowing, education, NHS) and the fall-out will likely last for decades. To say that literally no-one cares is just nonsense. I think literally everyone cares about at least one of the above to some extent and all they can be directly linked to how the goverment reacted to covid.
Every single one of those was pretty much on its knees before covid.No, it hasn’t helped but it appears many seem to be blaming it on that solely, which really isn’t the case.
119 said:
Ari said:
119 said:
Every single one of those was pretty much on its knees before covid.
But imagine what (for example) the NHS would look like today if even a proprtion of the money that was sprayed into the air was spent wisely instead. Just Tack and Trace - forget everything else, just that cost £37,000,000,000. And for what? What benefit was it?
And now we're expected to shrug our shoulders and go 'ah well, we'll just move on, things were quite bad before, after all'.
You try moving on when you're waiting seven hours for an ambulance because the NHS is so woefully underfunded and mismanaged.
As for air ambulances, I think they they get a percentage from the NHS but most is funded by donations etc.
Idiotic in the extreme.
119 said:
rodericb said:
No biggie, there's nothing any of us can do, we've moved on, forget all about it...... Repeat the same steps next time 'round......
Idiotic in the extreme.
Ok, so apart from shouting at the internet, what's the plan?Idiotic in the extreme.
The conversation needs to be ongoing, to allow continuing efforts to understand what happened and to analyse the effects of what happened.
'Alternative media' sources have been doing a lot of this and fighting through what Russell Brand referenced as 'the largest censorship event in the history of the world' (or something like that).
Interesting, then, that various laws around the world are being passed to increase censorship and reduce the ability of the people to discuss anything other than 'the party line' from 'the single source of truth' that governments would like to be.
Which isn't Orwellian at all.
119 said:
rodericb said:
No biggie, there's nothing any of us can do, we've moved on, forget all about it...... Repeat the same steps next time 'round......
Idiotic in the extreme.
Ok, so apart from shouting at the internet, what's the plan?Idiotic in the extreme.
RSTurboPaul said:
Interesting, then, that various laws around the world are being passed to increase censorship and reduce the ability of the people to discuss anything other than 'the party line' from 'the single source of truth' that governments would like to be.
Anything to back that up as you do realise you are doing exactly the sort of thing you are talking about them censoring?119 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Interesting, then, that various laws around the world are being passed to increase censorship and reduce the ability of the people to discuss anything other than 'the party line' from 'the single source of truth' that governments would like to be.
Anything to back that up as you do realise you are doing exactly the sort of thing you are talking about them censoring?I will state her that I was amazed that this thread in the first 5 volumes wasn’t targeted but I guess a motoring forum with a section that isn’t searchable was a lot harder to discover - Facebook, Twitter, Youtube - well they were heavily moderated for not complying with “the one truth from the source that you can trust”
B'stard Child said:
I know you are trolling……
I will state her that I was amazed that this thread in the first 5 volumes wasn’t targeted but I guess a motoring forum with a section that isn’t searchable was a lot harder to discover - Facebook, Twitter, Youtube - well they were heavily moderated for not complying with “the one truth from the source that you can trust”
No trolling here.I will state her that I was amazed that this thread in the first 5 volumes wasn’t targeted but I guess a motoring forum with a section that isn’t searchable was a lot harder to discover - Facebook, Twitter, Youtube - well they were heavily moderated for not complying with “the one truth from the source that you can trust”
There is still a fair bit of it on Facebook and YouTube, even the forum favourite John Campbell is still posting videos I believe?
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