Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2

[ViperPict]

TheHeretic said:

ViperPict said:

This document might make interesting reading...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

By 'details' do they mean snippets, or the whole document?

No, the document the article refers to.

[ViperPict]

mcdjl said:

London424 said:

I've read that link a few times now and I'm still not sure what it means. What is the reference to 26,000 responses?

They're trying to make it sound good that they asked 26,000 people 'do you want a referendum?' and 1,000 said no, 3,000 said yes and 22,000 said don't care really just shut up when going on.

This shows how little some folk on here are actually following the events relating to the referendum! The SG invited Scots to provide their views on the forthcoming referendum (not independence per se) some time ago. The NO campaign did the same thing and only got a fraction of the responses. It was discussed quite a lot on the previous thread.

I'm quite sure that it'll show that the majority of those responding wanted the Devo-Max option on the ballot paper...

[TheHeretic]

ViperPict said:

TheHeretic said:

ViperPict said:

This document might make interesting reading...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

By 'details' do they mean snippets, or the whole document?

No, the document the article refers to.

Oh that document? Well, I shall rephrase the question then...

By 'details' do they mean snippets, or the whole document?

[mcdjl]

ViperPict said:

mcdjl said:

London424 said:

I've read that link a few times now and I'm still not sure what it means. What is the reference to 26,000 responses?

They're trying to make it sound good that they asked 26,000 people 'do you want a referendum?' and 1,000 said no, 3,000 said yes and 22,000 said don't care really just shut up when going on.

This shows how little some folk on here are actually following the events relating to the referendum! The SG invited Scots to provide their views on the forthcoming referendum (not independence per se) some time ago. The NO campaign did the same thing and only got a fraction of the responses. It was discussed quite a lot on the previous thread.

I'm quite sure that it'll show that the majority of those responding wanted the Devo-Max option on the ballot paper...

Ah sorry in which case the question was what are your views on a referendum? and the answers were 1000, a waste of time, 3000 independence, 22000 don't really care. Or more likely 13000 waste of time/ no, 13000 lets have it/independence and the remainder of Scotland who didn't say anything really don't care.
If it does show that a majority wanted Devo-max on the paper its telling that Salmond appears to have sold them out.

[ViperPict]

TheHeretic said:

ViperPict said:

TheHeretic said:

ViperPict said:

This document might make interesting reading...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

By 'details' do they mean snippets, or the whole document?

No, the document the article refers to.

Oh that document? Well, I shall rephrase the question then...

By 'details' do they mean snippets, or the whole document?

I am presumaing (and hoping) that the entire report is published. I don't care what side the opinions fall on, it'll be very interesting to see.

[TheHeretic]

ViperPict said:

I am presumaing (and hoping) that the entire report is published. I don't care what side the opinions fall on, it'll be very interesting to see.

Presuming.

[ViperPict]

mcdjl said:

ViperPict said:

mcdjl said:

London424 said:

I've read that link a few times now and I'm still not sure what it means. What is the reference to 26,000 responses?

They're trying to make it sound good that they asked 26,000 people 'do you want a referendum?' and 1,000 said no, 3,000 said yes and 22,000 said don't care really just shut up when going on.

This shows how little some folk on here are actually following the events relating to the referendum! The SG invited Scots to provide their views on the forthcoming referendum (not independence per se) some time ago. The NO campaign did the same thing and only got a fraction of the responses. It was discussed quite a lot on the previous thread.

I'm quite sure that it'll show that the majority of those responding wanted the Devo-Max option on the ballot paper...

Ah sorry in which case the question was what are your views on a referendum? and the answers were 1000, a waste of time, 3000 independence, 22000 don't really care. Or more likely 13000 waste of time/ no, 13000 lets have it/independence and the remainder of Scotland who didn't say anything really don't care.
If it does show that a majority wanted Devo-max on the paper its telling that Salmond appears to have sold them out.

I think the fact that you respond to a consultation on something suggests that you have an opinion (i.e., care) one way or the other...

[Rollin]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

There certainly is NOT the consensus from companies that they consider the upcoming referendum a reason not to invest!

Nobody said there was a 'consensus'? Indepence debate = uncertainty. Uncertainty = risk = bad = relatively lower investment.

Short.

Sweet.

For some independence = potential opportunity

Currency shorters?

[thinfourth2]

ViperPict said:

For some independence = potential opportunity

Alex Salomnd

Get richer

[TheHeretic]

People who make flags, (although they are probably Chinese.

[AstonZagato]

People who work in green energy, who need state subsidy.

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

Shame that you decide your position on something as important as our constitution is based on what football team you support...

No I don't, you ignorant troll.



Just to show I'm not ignoring your rare, valid points:

ViperPict said:

For some independence = potential opportunity

This is a valid point. Liquidators will be thriving

Edited by simoid on Thursday 11th October 19:33

[TheHeretic]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

Shame that you decide your position on something as important as our constitution is based on what football team you support...

No I don't, you ignorant troll.

...or in fact based on a PM out of office 20+ years...

[Edinburger]

Caulkhead said:

Edinburger said:

ViperPict said:

Anyway, this angle suggests that Scameron is just playing lip service to the independence issue...

[url]http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4583232/David-Cameron-has-just-27-seconds-to-save-the-Union.html[url]

Not sure if he cares or not about the Union, hard to tell.

Apologies in advance for the poor quality of the linked periodical, I don't subscribe to it.

Given that we have more pandas in Scotland than Conservative MPs I doubt very much if he cares that much.

Probably just lip service. We know all about the Labour vote, etc., etc.

I've explained the internal tory view before - long term losing 5m socialist voters is a good thing, short term, no leader of any political party wants to preside over the separation of Scotland from the union.

It's not really lip service, it's just not that important in the grand scale of things and unlike Scotland which needs to take a huge leap of faith, the rest of the UK remains in pretty much the same place with or without Scotland.

And there's part of the problem... do you really think the rest of the UK would just wave Scotland goodbye and carry on as if nothing has happened? Think about it.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

"The supermarket chain reported sales of 364 miles of bunting and 146,000 flags; sales of Union Jack cake stands were up 2,783 per cent and Union Jack teacups and saucers up 5,588 per cent week on week."

Pricing Intelligence News: Julibee Parties Boost Supermarket Sales

That can't possibly be right as it would suggest that people in Englandshire wave flags and we're repeatedley told that flag waving is done by Scots. How strange.

[Edinburger]

BliarOut said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

"The supermarket chain reported sales of 364 miles of bunting and 146,000 flags; sales of Union Jack cake stands were up 2,783 per cent and Union Jack teacups and saucers up 5,588 per cent week on week."

Pricing Intelligence News: Julibee Parties Boost Supermarket Sales

All bought by Gers fans to welcome in their tenure in Scotland's lowest league...

You just can't accept that some Scots love being British, can you

LOL to VP, and BliarOut do you remember my posts about how the English just don't understand some things...?

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Some?

Most Scots

That's a joke, right?

[Edinburger]

TheHeretic said:

ViperPict said:

Whose posts were derogatory? This thread has been littered with derogatory posts. And I don't deny that some have come from me. Did someone go 'too far'?

Someone was giving you 2, (Edinburger and yourself), grief, but was not actually giving any points, or subject matter of their own. I merely commented on it. Apparently that upsets Edinburger.

It seems said poster deleted their posts.

It didn't upset me at all TH, it just bored me. Although if the other posts were deleted then perhaps I read it out of context.

[TheHeretic]

Edinburger said:

That can't possibly be right as it would suggest that people in Englandshire wave flags and we're repeatedley told that flag waving is done by Scots. How strange.

But that bunting isn't in lieu of political discussion. It is just a celebration. Surely you understand the point being made here? You have been pointed to it often enough.

[Edinburger]

London424 said:

TheHeretic said:

ViperPict said:

This document might make interesting reading...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

By 'details' do they mean snippets, or the whole document?

I've read that link a few times now and I'm still not sure what it means. What is the reference to 26,000 responses?

The SG ran a referendum consultation on the paper and principles which was published earlier this year. That's an impressive amount of answers and analysis.

I assume all the doom and gloom merchants on here contributed? When I asked before (Vol I) no one had.