Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)

[bitchstewie]

gooner1 said:

Unable to cite a single thing they’ve done that’s incorrect, or acutely aware of media reaction if he did point out failings before
enquiry’s are rightly held?

How do you think the media reaction has been so far?

It's hardly gone well for him.

Perhaps he'd have been better not to have said anything at all?

And I'm still confused how Boris can say "too many" care homes got it wrong before the inquiry but nobody can say Boris and the Government got anything wrong before the inquiry because it's too soon.

Nobody seems to have an explanation for that one

[jakesmith]

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

Yes, that's what I was doing. Laughing at the dead.

You're right and I apologise.

Dumb thing to say.

Me not you.

Apology accepted but please, you must behave yourself

[Tuna]

bhstewie said:

Tuna said:

bhstewie said:

Sorry Gooner but "too many" has a very different meaning to "some" and Sway is clever enough to know that..

When we're talking about deaths, how many is too many?

I have no idea but it suggests there is a number that is acceptable as you full well know.

I'd love to know how he gets you lot defending him.

Every fking time.

I don't know what has got you into this frame of mind. What on earth has the previous exchange got to do with your response? You were complaining about his use of the phrase 'too many', and I was pointing out that in this particular situation you might regard any deaths as being too many - and similarly any number of care homes that were badly managed as too many.

At no point was I saying deaths were acceptable, or defending the government, or Boris. You've done this before when you get hung up on language and cannot appear to comprehend that the meaning you've taken might just not be shared by the rest of the world.

And then you've gone round the houses with gooner trying to force an opinion on something. Just take a breath for a moment.

[Tuna]

Derek Smith said:

Tuna said:

Derek Smith said:

One test is to compare our response to that of other, similar countries.

A dangerous and misleading path to go down - diseases do not behave uniformly, nations are not constructed uniformly, and our situations are often anything other than uniform.

At the moment we have anecdotes, not data.

For some reason I thought I had posted "One test is to compare our response to that of other, similar countries. This isn't just a case of adding up deaths and dividing by the population.", but then, if I had, you would have quoted it, wouldn't you.

I'll amend the quote if you like, but my response still stands. Even with your caveat, it is a dangerous and misleading path to go down. You still end up with responses like "Why can't we be more like New Zealand?". A comparison suggests that things can be made equal, when they can't.

[bitchstewie]

Tuna said:

I don't know what has got you into this frame of mind. What on earth has the previous exchange got to do with your response? You were complaining about his use of the phrase 'too many', and I was pointing out that in this particular situation you might regard any deaths as being too many - and similarly any number of care homes that were badly managed as too many.

At no point was I saying deaths were acceptable, or defending the government, or Boris. You've done this before when you get hung up on language and cannot appear to comprehend that the meaning you've taken might just not be shared by the rest of the world.

And then you've gone round the houses with gooner trying to force an opinion on something. Just take a breath for a moment.

I asked Gooner for his view I don't think I've tried to "force" anything on him though I'm pretty sure he's a grown up and can speak for himself if that's what he thinks.

I do sometimes get hung up on language but I also listen to the words people say.

Downing Street and a succession of ministers have had to clarify what the Prime Minister supposedly meant to say which suggests that he wasn't very clear about it doesn't it?

Or he was and it's gone down like a bucket of cold sick and they're back peddling (again).

As for "this frame of mind" I have the odd day when I can't contain my disdain for that clown and those who defend him.

[mx5nut]

bhstewie said:

For our Prime Minister to act with a shred of respect and dignity.

For people to ask themselves "is this what I really voted for?" rather than clapping like seals "because team".

He stood at a podium and told us that everything Dominic Cummings did was right and gave an interview yesterday telling us what many of what the care homes did was wrong.

And all the while when questions have been asked of him or the Government "now is not the time".

Why do people on this thread keep making excuses for his behaviour?

Because he and Dom told the voters that an attack on him was an attack on them and their vote for him.

[amusingduck]

bhstewie said:

You're right and I apologise.

Dumb thing to say.

Me not you.

No biggie, but thank you.

Apologies are few and far between on here, I respect anyone who's willing to go against the tide

[Mrr T]

bhstewie said:

How do you think the media reaction has been so far?

It's hardly gone well for him.

Perhaps he'd have been better not to have said anything at all?

And I'm still confused how Boris can say "too many" care homes got it wrong before the inquiry but nobody can say Boris and the Government got anything wrong before the inquiry because it's too soon.

Nobody seems to have an explanation for that one

A spokesperson for No10 has now made it clear BJ did not say what he said.


https://mobile.twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/128046...

[Sway]

Mrr T said:

bhstewie said:

How do you think the media reaction has been so far?

It's hardly gone well for him.

Perhaps he'd have been better not to have said anything at all?

And I'm still confused how Boris can say "too many" care homes got it wrong before the inquiry but nobody can say Boris and the Government got anything wrong before the inquiry because it's too soon.

Nobody seems to have an explanation for that one

A spokesperson for No10 has now made it clear BJ did not say what he said.


https://mobile.twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/128046...

I can't now find an unedited clip of the comments (the guardian's vid was 2:20, and is now under a minute) - but I'm fairly sure in the full answer I read yesterday (I'm 90% via the guardian online) he did indeed say care homes have done a superb job overall.

[bitchstewie]

That's quite incredible.

The party told your to ignore the evidence of your own eyes and ears.

Is anyone making excuses for that clown reading this and there isn't a little voice in their head going "WTF am I doing sticking up for this st?"?

[Derek Smith]

Tuna said:

Derek Smith said:

Tuna said:

Derek Smith said:

One test is to compare our response to that of other, similar countries.

A dangerous and misleading path to go down - diseases do not behave uniformly, nations are not constructed uniformly, and our situations are often anything other than uniform.

At the moment we have anecdotes, not data.

For some reason I thought I had posted "One test is to compare our response to that of other, similar countries. This isn't just a case of adding up deaths and dividing by the population.", but then, if I had, you would have quoted it, wouldn't you.

I'll amend the quote if you like, but my response still stands. Even with your caveat, it is a dangerous and misleading path to go down. You still end up with responses like "Why can't we be more like New Zealand?". A comparison suggests that things can be made equal, when they can't.

Is there something that stops you reading every bit of my posts? I did not mention New Zealand. I said that one test, one test - got that? - is to compare our response to that of other, similar - that's similar as in similar - countries, and then added the condition. In other words, one test is to compare our response to that of other, similar countries. It's a true comparison. We need to interpret the results but it is, far and away, the best of tests.

One might consider that as we are an island, without the free access to EU citizens of other EU countries, we should have been scoring lower. As we had greater information of the pathology of the CV-19 our score should have been lower. As we had longer notice, it is possible that we should have been scoring better than similar countries. It's not simply a matter of comparing death rates. You'd think someone would have said that.

We knew the demographic at risk for longer than other, similar countries. So why was the death rate in rest homes so high in comparison to other, similar countries; those that didn't have our notice?

These questions should be asked. Not only that, they should be answered. We should also ask why, when 'things' were not equal with other, similar countries, given that we had many advantages, our death rates were not lower. And the answer should be explained to us rather than veiled suggestions that care homes were at fault.

[Sway]

We don't have free access of EU citizens?

Who knew?

[markyb_lcy]

bhstewie said:

That's quite incredible.

The party told your to ignore the evidence of your own eyes and ears.

Is anyone making excuses for that clown reading this and there isn't a little voice in their head going "WTF am I doing sticking up for this st?"?

“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.”

I'll leave the author of that one off as an exercise for the reader.

[biggbn]

markyb_lcy said:

bhstewie said:

That's quite incredible.

The party told your to ignore the evidence of your own eyes and ears.

Is anyone making excuses for that clown reading this and there isn't a little voice in their head going "WTF am I doing sticking up for this st?"?

“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.”

I'll leave the author of that one off as an exercise for the reader.

Oft attributed to Hitler, but that version was Goebbels I believe?

[Oilchange]

bhstewie, you need to sit down with a nice cup of tea and forget about the outside world for a while, you muppet...

[Unknown_User]

bhstewie said:

That's quite incredible.

The party told your to ignore the evidence of your own eyes and ears.

Is anyone making excuses for that clown reading this and there isn't a little voice in their head going "WTF am I doing sticking up for this st?"?

Thank you for posting the above transcript.

For me and most other interested parties, it is crystal clear what our Gov is doing here. Those posters that somehow refuse to acknowledge or accept the Gov's shenanigans here are wilfully condoning a Gov that is guilty of lying and a duplicitous modus operandi.

[markyb_lcy]

biggbn said:

Oft attributed to Hitler, but that version was Goebbels I believe?

Yep, think it's a case of "pick your poison" This shorter version is mostly attributed to Goebbels.

FWIW I think there's an element of "truth" in the statement.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Unknown_User said:

Thank you for posting the above transcript.

For me and most other interested parties, it is crystal clear what our Gov is doing here. Those posters that somehow refuse to acknowledge or accept the Gov's shenanigans here are wilfully condoning a Gov that is guilty of lying and a duplicitous modus operandi.

Since when have Boris/Cummings been any different?

[markyb_lcy]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Unknown_User said:

Thank you for posting the above transcript.

For me and most other interested parties, it is crystal clear what our Gov is doing here. Those posters that somehow refuse to acknowledge or accept the Gov's shenanigans here are wilfully condoning a Gov that is guilty of lying and a duplicitous modus operandi.

Since when have Boris/Cummings been any different?

One is the puppet and the other is the master. Or the hand vs the glove, if one prefers.

[Unknown_User]

markyb_lcy said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Unknown_User said:

Thank you for posting the above transcript.

For me and most other interested parties, it is crystal clear what our Gov is doing here. Those posters that somehow refuse to acknowledge or accept the Gov's shenanigans here are wilfully condoning a Gov that is guilty of lying and a duplicitous modus operandi.

Since when have Boris/Cummings been any different?

One is the puppet and the other is the master. Or the hand vs the glove, if one prefers.

Agreed.

One here is the master and the other is just a useful idiot. Yet incredibly, some still defend de Pfeffel like he was some kind of demigod.