Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.

Well my beliefs are the polar opposite to yours. Who'd've thunk it!?

I think we'll be significantly less prosperous out of the UK, and I'm sure you're aware of the arguments for this case.

We might even be backed into corners by financial hardship that the UK economy, Bank of England, and so on protect us from just now, or into other corners by the EU to join the Euro... I'm not convinced we'll have many options! But still, at least they'll be our problems, and nobody else's.

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.

Well my beliefs are the polar opposite to yours. Who'd've thunk it!?

I think we'll be significantly less prosperous out of the UK, and I'm sure you're aware of the arguments for this case.

We might even be backed into corners by financial hardship that the UK economy, Bank of England, and so on protect us from just now, or into other corners by the EU to join the Euro... I'm not convinced we'll have many options! But still, at least they'll be our problems, and nobody else's.

This is not the way of things though. Things sort themselves out into an efficient state. Beautifully complex non-linear process but amazingly simple. Peace man.

[ViperPict]

Wombat3 said:

ViperPict said:

Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.

But as usual you fail to articulate anything (indeed not one single thing - EVER) that is so different in respect of what Scotland needs (versus the rest of the UK) and nor anything to explain why , how & where it is so constrained today & exactly what it is that can't be achieved under the current situation

Flag waving & face paint is therefore all that is left - as usual.

Never waived a flag in my life. It's the 'meme' of this thread, isn't it? LOL

The point I make is quite clearly stated. It's very simple so that you can understand it.

[mjh64]

ViperPict said:

Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.

At last after reading this and the previous thread you admit the truth

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

Things sort themselves out into an efficient state.

Do you think the Scottish economy will just 'sort itself out' after a huge macroeconomic shock, and when we've put up barriers with our closest trade neighbours?

It may find a new equilibrium, but it cannot be as prosperous as before.



P.S. think of all the ways we could be benifitting Scotland's economy with the time and effort we've expended on the hundreds of pages of this thread... a couple of minutes spent writing each post, and a few multiples of that spent reading... 500 pages, 10,000 posts, 6 minutes (reading and writing) per post = 1000 man/hours. Goodness!

Edited by simoid on Friday 12th October 00:07

[martin84]

I've been to Scotland. The boat ride up Loch Ness was st.

They can keep it.

[simoid]

martin84 said:

I've been to Scotland. The boat ride up Loch Ness was st.

They can keep it.

Loch Ness? Has someone been trying to steal it?

[martin84]

The best bit of Scotland is being able to stand on the border beside that big rock with England on one side and Scotland on the other. Jumping between the two like Homer Simpson.

As for the rest of the country you can take it or leave it, frankly.

[simoid]

We have some lovely driving roads

[Wombat3]

ViperPict said:

Wombat3 said:

ViperPict said:

Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.

But as usual you fail to articulate anything (indeed not one single thing - EVER) that is so different in respect of what Scotland needs (versus the rest of the UK) and nor anything to explain why , how & where it is so constrained today & exactly what it is that can't be achieved under the current situation

Flag waving & face paint is therefore all that is left - as usual.

Never waived a flag in my life. It's the 'meme' of this thread, isn't it? LOL

The point I make is quite clearly stated. It's very simple so that you can understand it.

You have no point, and that is the point. You can provide no evidence or information to support your "point" or position save for bullst and fairy dust as usual.

(Lack of face painting denial to accompany flag waving denial also duly noted )

[martin84]

simoid said:

We have some lovely driving roads

I went in a rented fking Renault.

[simoid]

martin84 said:

simoid said:

We have some lovely driving roads

I went in a rented fking Renault.

Glad to see you got into the spirit of the Auld Alliance, then!

[TheHeretic]

Edinburger said:

TheHeretic said:

Edinburger said:

I was being sarcastic

So you had no point to make... At all... Gotcha.

Pot and kettle springs to mind

Quite the contrary. However, it seems you sometimes use a magic 8-ball when replying, as what goes in doesn't seem to affect what comes out.

[thinfourth2]

ViperPict said:

This is not the way of things though. Things sort themselves out into an efficient state. Beautifully complex non-linear process but amazingly simple. Peace man.

So why hasn't the UK economy settled into this efficient state?

Is it the McForce?

[321freeflow]

Ha Ha! Haven't visited this thread for a while and the Tartan Troll known as VP is still jerking your chain TF! You need to relax man, there won't be a Yes vote. There was never any great appetite for Independence before the SNP got into power and there isn't any now - even amongst 16-17yr olds. The only reason the hee-drum-ho brigade got in was because Scottish Labour were complacent and no-one votes Tory up here any more.
Fat Alex, with his obsession for wind farms and the SG overturning local planners' refusals for them is alienating his core vote on a grand scale - almost like he knows he's going to lose his Independence vote. We don't want Devo-max - our politicians are even more stupid/wasteful than the Westminster clowns.

[mcdjl]

thinfourth2 said:

So why hasn't the UK economy settled into this efficient state?

Is it the McForce?

Some might say.... 412.laxallstars.com/files/2011/07/Brown.jpeg

[ViperPict]

thinfourth2 said:

ViperPict said:

This is not the way of things though. Things sort themselves out into an efficient state. Beautifully complex non-linear process but amazingly simple. Peace man.

So why hasn't the UK economy settled into this efficient state?

Is it the McForce?

Given time, it will. Although Mr 110% ain't helping!

[ViperPict]

321freeflow said:

Ha Ha! Haven't visited this thread for a while and the Tartan Troll known as VP is still jerking your chain TF! You need to relax man, there won't be a Yes vote. There was never any great appetite for Independence before the SNP got into power and there isn't any now - even amongst 16-17yr olds. The only reason the hee-drum-ho brigade got in was because Scottish Labour were complacent and no-one votes Tory up here any more.
Fat Alex, with his obsession for wind farms and the SG overturning local planners' refusals for them is alienating his core vote on a grand scale - almost like he knows he's going to lose his Independence vote. We don't want Devo-max - our politicians are even more stupid/wasteful than the Westminster clowns.

You are Donald Trump, aren't you?

[321freeflow]

ViperPict said:

You are Donald Trump, aren't you?

If you're Alex Salmond, yes.

[BliarOut]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.

Well my beliefs are the polar opposite to yours. Who'd've thunk it!?

I think we'll be significantly less prosperous out of the UK, and I'm sure you're aware of the arguments for this case.

We might even be backed into corners by financial hardship that the UK economy, Bank of England, and so on protect us from just now, or into other corners by the EU to join the Euro... I'm not convinced we'll have many options! But still, at least they'll be our problems, and nobody else's.

This is not the way of things though. Things sort themselves out into an efficient state. Beautifully complex non-linear process but amazingly simple. Peace man.

Tell that to the Greeks...