May Vs Corbyn live on the telly,
Discussion
TomTheTyke said:
I don't actually think it's helpful for either side's politicians to be attacked because they can't remember a figure off the top of their head. That said as a Corbyn supporter it does seem an oversight to go on the radio to announce a policy and not take the key facts on paper with you.
Still if we assume people other than the party leaders have written the manifesto and worked out costs really the interviewer should just give them the figure and the debate should be whether that's a worthwhile way to spend the money, what are the merits of the policy, can it actually be delivered for that amount of money etc, not whether or not Corbyn and May can remember figures.
In the interest of balance I do think Labour take more stick on this than the Tories but I'm not actually convinced either side is better, Philip Hammond was £20bn out on HS2 the other week but it wasn't nearly as big news as Corbyn/Abbott messing up.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/phil...
I agree that not being able to remember the odd figure is fine but this (and in cases of other interviews on all sides) was fundamental to the conversation. Imagine it was for a job in, say, sales. Still if we assume people other than the party leaders have written the manifesto and worked out costs really the interviewer should just give them the figure and the debate should be whether that's a worthwhile way to spend the money, what are the merits of the policy, can it actually be delivered for that amount of money etc, not whether or not Corbyn and May can remember figures.
In the interest of balance I do think Labour take more stick on this than the Tories but I'm not actually convinced either side is better, Philip Hammond was £20bn out on HS2 the other week but it wasn't nearly as big news as Corbyn/Abbott messing up.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/phil...
"So Mr Corbyn, how much did you grow sales by in your last job with Commie Co?"
"Errrr, can't remember / don't know / not bothered"
"Next!"
My worry is that none of this matters to a lot of the electorate and the election is a lot closer than we expect. Labour getting is a disaster scenario in my view.
I don't think it's the not remembering, it's the umm, arrr, trying to cover it, the interviewing spotting it and continuing to chase that creates the story.
A simple, "you know what, that's slipped my mind, let me check........ argh it xxx, sorry about that" would be better. or am I being naive.....
Regardless, he was on woman's hour so should have know this, it's basic prep.
A simple, "you know what, that's slipped my mind, let me check........ argh it xxx, sorry about that" would be better. or am I being naive.....
Regardless, he was on woman's hour so should have know this, it's basic prep.
JagLover said:
garyhun said:
JagLover said:
I believe "Zionist" simply means Jewish
No. Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.I meant in this context the use of "Zionist" as a term of derision simply means Jewish.
DT398 said:
I agree that not being able to remember the odd figure is fine but this (and in cases of other interviews on all sides) was fundamental to the conversation. Imagine it was for a job in, say, sales.
"So Mr Corbyn, how much did you grow sales by in your last job with Commie Co?"
"Errrr, can't remember / don't know / not bothered"
"Next!"
My worry is that none of this matters to a lot of the electorate and the election is a lot closer than we expect. Labour getting is a disaster scenario in my view.
forget the Polls as long as we all get out and vote to deny Corbyn then he will be defeated"So Mr Corbyn, how much did you grow sales by in your last job with Commie Co?"
"Errrr, can't remember / don't know / not bothered"
"Next!"
My worry is that none of this matters to a lot of the electorate and the election is a lot closer than we expect. Labour getting is a disaster scenario in my view.
I see may has spent the day banging on about brexit. wasn't that last year's news???
Anyone see Gove on Daily Politics today on his knees, mouth wide open, gagging for a job back in the tory cabinet again? abbot is way way bad but after that i struggle to think of more bad in labour's line up compared to gove, boris, davis, may, leadsome....nightmare all round.
Anyone see Gove on Daily Politics today on his knees, mouth wide open, gagging for a job back in the tory cabinet again? abbot is way way bad but after that i struggle to think of more bad in labour's line up compared to gove, boris, davis, may, leadsome....nightmare all round.
kurt535 said:
I see may has spent the day banging on about brexit. wasn't that last year's news???
Anyone see Gove on Daily Politics today on his knees, mouth wide open, gagging for a job back in the tory cabinet again? abbot is way way bad but after that i struggle to think of more bad in labour's line up compared to gove, boris, davis, may, leadsome....nightmare all round.
I think after 5 months on the Wagon (until this evening) I should have stayed on it because I cant make any sense of this.Anyone see Gove on Daily Politics today on his knees, mouth wide open, gagging for a job back in the tory cabinet again? abbot is way way bad but after that i struggle to think of more bad in labour's line up compared to gove, boris, davis, may, leadsome....nightmare all round.
kurt535 said:
I see may has spent the day banging on about brexit. wasn't that last year's news???
You cannot be serious ! It was last year's news, is this year's news, will be next year's news and the year after that. What would you prefer to talk about - a few extra days bank holiday ?johnxjsc1985 said:
gothatway said:
You cannot be serious ! It was last year's news, is this year's news, will be next year's news and the year after that. What would you prefer to talk about - a few extra days bank holiday ?
could you possibly explain the rest of his post I am lost.gothatway said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
gothatway said:
You cannot be serious ! It was last year's news, is this year's news, will be next year's news and the year after that. What would you prefer to talk about - a few extra days bank holiday ?
could you possibly explain the rest of his post I am lost.gothatway said:
kurt535 said:
I see may has spent the day banging on about brexit. wasn't that last year's news???
You cannot be serious ! It was last year's news, is this year's news, will be next year's news and the year after that. What would you prefer to talk about - a few extra days bank holiday ?
k up; lose 20-30bn from city of london tax revenues but gain 0.50p from a resurgent fishing industry and bootlegging greater quantities of whisky to Sikhs although for many its against their religion so they won't be buying much anyway.So, May banging her tin drum how she is up for a fight on our behalf is really really old, old news. I'm more concerned wtf she is going to do to generate lost revenues other than letting big corporates pay less tax over the coming years and companies like starbucks continue to take the piss out of our tax system.
kurt535 said:
what can be added to brexit beyond conservatives = makings of a hard brexit fk up; lose 20-30bn from city of london tax revenues but gain 0.50p from a resurgent fishing industry and bootlegging greater quantities of whisky to Sikhs although for many its against their religion so they won't be buying much anyway.
So, May banging her tin drum how she is up for a fight on our behalf is really really old, old news. I'm more concerned wtf she is going to do to generate lost revenues other than letting big corporates pay less tax over the coming years and companies like starbucks continue to take the piss out of our tax system.
you have brought a different view to this topic and I would like to agree with some of your points but I haven't got a clue WTF you are on aboutk up; lose 20-30bn from city of london tax revenues but gain 0.50p from a resurgent fishing industry and bootlegging greater quantities of whisky to Sikhs although for many its against their religion so they won't be buying much anyway.So, May banging her tin drum how she is up for a fight on our behalf is really really old, old news. I'm more concerned wtf she is going to do to generate lost revenues other than letting big corporates pay less tax over the coming years and companies like starbucks continue to take the piss out of our tax system.
johnxjsc1985 said:
kurt535 said:
what can be added to brexit beyond conservatives = makings of a hard brexit fk up; lose 20-30bn from city of london tax revenues but gain 0.50p from a resurgent fishing industry and bootlegging greater quantities of whisky to Sikhs although for many its against their religion so they won't be buying much anyway.
So, May banging her tin drum how she is up for a fight on our behalf is really really old, old news. I'm more concerned wtf she is going to do to generate lost revenues other than letting big corporates pay less tax over the coming years and companies like starbucks continue to take the piss out of our tax system.
you have brought a different view to this topic and I would like to agree with some of your points but I haven't got a clue WTF you are on aboutk up; lose 20-30bn from city of london tax revenues but gain 0.50p from a resurgent fishing industry and bootlegging greater quantities of whisky to Sikhs although for many its against their religion so they won't be buying much anyway.So, May banging her tin drum how she is up for a fight on our behalf is really really old, old news. I'm more concerned wtf she is going to do to generate lost revenues other than letting big corporates pay less tax over the coming years and companies like starbucks continue to take the piss out of our tax system.
1 , is there are only two industrys in the UK ... fishing and financial.
2, If we leave the EU the sky will fall ...
3, there isn't anywhere outside the EU that we could trade with ...
johnxjsc1985 said:
kurt535 said:
what can be added to brexit beyond conservatives = makings of a hard brexit fk up; lose 20-30bn from city of london tax revenues but gain 0.50p from a resurgent fishing industry and bootlegging greater quantities of whisky to Sikhs although for many its against their religion so they won't be buying much anyway.
So, May banging her tin drum how she is up for a fight on our behalf is really really old, old news. I'm more concerned wtf she is going to do to generate lost revenues other than letting big corporates pay less tax over the coming years and companies like starbucks continue to take the piss out of our tax system.
you have brought a different view to this topic and I would like to agree with some of your points but I haven't got a clue WTF you are on aboutk up; lose 20-30bn from city of london tax revenues but gain 0.50p from a resurgent fishing industry and bootlegging greater quantities of whisky to Sikhs although for many its against their religion so they won't be buying much anyway.So, May banging her tin drum how she is up for a fight on our behalf is really really old, old news. I'm more concerned wtf she is going to do to generate lost revenues other than letting big corporates pay less tax over the coming years and companies like starbucks continue to take the piss out of our tax system.
As for the context.....simple. It's a vote winner for the Tories and they are returning to it after getting their fingers burned on social care. Wise move.
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