How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Vol 4. finished with a very entertaining meander off topic about funeral arrangements, including burial on one's own (or indeed other people's property) and I only now remember one of May favourite (poor taste) jokes, which does need sharing:
I visited my wife's grave today....
...she doesn't know it's her grave, she thinks I'm digging a pond.
I visited my wife's grave today....
...she doesn't know it's her grave, she thinks I'm digging a pond.
Vanden Saab said:
https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier?ref_src=twsrc%5E...
no mention of sending Raab home with no deal anywhere...
No mention of a deal being made today. no mention of sending Raab home with no deal anywhere...
Digga said:
Vol 4. finished with a very entertaining meander off topic about funeral arrangements, including burial on one's own (or indeed other people's property) and I only now remember one of May favourite (poor taste) jokes, which does need sharing:
I visited my wife's grave today....
...she doesn't know it's her grave, she thinks I'm digging a pond.
Ken Dodd?I visited my wife's grave today....
...she doesn't know it's her grave, she thinks I'm digging a pond.
davepoth said:
desolate said:
So if it's voted down does that make ref 2 or general election more likely?
Or is there another way to a resolution?
None of the Tory MPs want a general election. None of the ERG want a referendum. The DUP don't want Corbyn in charge either. Due to the fixed term parliaments act there would need to be a specific no confidence vote in the government which it would win, so there's no chance of an election. We need an extension of article 50 for a legal referendum (there's not enough time to do the legal guff before the 29th of March) and there's no guarantee we could get that - pinning hopes on it would be a bit desperate.Or is there another way to a resolution?
If the deal does end up being as bad as it looks I'd imagine a few of the Brexiteers left in cabinet will leave, and then May's position becomes increasingly untenable. However, I think it will take a senior remainer like Hammond telling her that it's time to go before she resigns.
Tuna said:
Ghibli said:
You can guess what I think all you like but it doesn't make you correct.
Actually, most of the conversation in this volume so far has been me asking you what you think, and you avoiding answering. 
Ghibli said:
Tuna said:
Ghibli said:
You can guess what I think all you like but it doesn't make you correct.
Actually, most of the conversation in this volume so far has been me asking you what you think, and you avoiding answering. Where the only reality is his and no one but he follows negotiations or other Brexit related news. HTF he he didn't see the Referendum result happening is a complete mystery. To him.
Edited to correct spelling.
Edited by gooner1 on Sunday 14th October 22:04
desolate said:
Jockman said:
Hard Brexit. Tory leadership election. Labour still in the wilderness.
Labour in the wilderness for the foreseeable no matter what outcome I reckon.Interesting that you think that hard brexit is the likely outcome.
Jockman said:
On the current trajectory. Seems to be what the Govt is making contingency plans for. IIRC several EU countries have contingency plans set in motion too.
There's a bit of a lead time on some of it so the contingencies have to start early. A lot of it would be required in 2021 anyway so it's by no means a complete loss if there is a deal, but it doesn't hurt to be prepared.That goes for everyone really; if you know what would change as a result of a disorderly Brexit then you'll be well prepared regardless of the outcome.
I would be extremely surprised if the Tories went to the polls any earlier than they have to, and not just because of Brexit; anecdotally the shine does rather seem to be coming off Corbyn as more about him becomes public knowledge.
Ghibli said:
All you need to work out now is that the negotiations are reality. I think the negotiations are reality and your idea of Brexit and the Ireland issue doesn't fit with the reality of the negotiations.
So, midway through negotiations that you can't explain, with an outcome not expected for weeks at best, you think you have a vision of reality that no-one could possibly disagree with? You do understand what negotiations are, don't you? And that different options, and different outcomes are available?Or in magical Ghibli-land, is May a special kind of negotiator that gets the best possible deal of all deals? (Hint - I'm asking you what you're thinking here. If it's as sharp an insight as the Leadsom comment, I'm expecting a few posts of avoiding answering because you know you've been talking nonsense again).
Tell me Im wrong but all the s
te about the irish border would anyone apart from half a dozen people in the north and most of the ROI be affected , surely the republic have far far more to lose if it was made harder to transit goods An yet they are sucking up to the EU who seem to be the only ones wanting to make things difficult ??? funny old world eh !!!
te about the irish border would anyone apart from half a dozen people in the north and most of the ROI be affected , surely the republic have far far more to lose if it was made harder to transit goods An yet they are sucking up to the EU who seem to be the only ones wanting to make things difficult ??? funny old world eh !!!Tuna said:
Ghibli said:
All you need to work out now is that the negotiations are reality. I think the negotiations are reality and your idea of Brexit and the Ireland issue doesn't fit with the reality of the negotiations.
So, midway through negotiations that you can't explain, with an outcome not expected for weeks at best, you think you have a vision of reality that no-one could possibly disagree with? You do understand what negotiations are, don't you? And that different options, and different outcomes are available?Or in magical Ghibli-land, is May a special kind of negotiator that gets the best possible deal of all deals? (Hint - I'm asking you what you're thinking here. If it's as sharp an insight as the Leadsom comment, I'm expecting a few posts of avoiding answering because you know you've been talking nonsense again).
The problems in the real negotiations need to be addressed and resolved. Without that there will be no deal.
Saying they have been addressed on PH and resolved is just fantasy. You keep telling me that I have been told but you can't work out that it is BS and the negotiations are not moving forward and the same problems are still there.
Maybe some people think that Leadsom threatening to resign will solve something and the EU will buckle if she resigns. It's just politicians playing games and struggling to eat the big slice of cake they have taken.
Ghibli said:
Tuna said:
Ghibli said:
All you need to work out now is that the negotiations are reality. I think the negotiations are reality and your idea of Brexit and the Ireland issue doesn't fit with the reality of the negotiations.
So, midway through negotiations that you can't explain, with an outcome not expected for weeks at best, you think you have a vision of reality that no-one could possibly disagree with? You do understand what negotiations are, don't you? And that different options, and different outcomes are available?Or in magical Ghibli-land, is May a special kind of negotiator that gets the best possible deal of all deals? (Hint - I'm asking you what you're thinking here. If it's as sharp an insight as the Leadsom comment, I'm expecting a few posts of avoiding answering because you know you've been talking nonsense again).
The problems in the real negotiations need to be addressed and resolved. Without that there will be no deal.
Saying they have been addressed on PH and resolved is just fantasy. You keep telling me that I have been told but you can't work out that it is BS and the negotiations are not moving forward and the same problems are still there.
Maybe some people think that Leadsom threatening to resign will solve something and the EU will buckle if she resigns. It's just politicians playing games and struggling to eat the big slice of cake they have taken.
We took our grandson to the circus earlier this year, the clown was brilliant, had grandson in tears of laughter.
Some overseas parts of Europe (Greenland, Canary Islands, Caribbean) do have different status. But given the UK is leaving, not sure what this means - NI to be considered an overseas territory of the UK I guess? Like Isle of Man? Note though that in certain cases you need to pay VAT on stuff bought in Canary Islands if you fly back to Spain. Not sure how that will go down with DUP
DAVEVO9 said:
My own preferred solution is a basic canada style deal and a Transition agreement and all the talk of "paying £40bn for nothing" is highly misleading
But with where May has taken us to in the "negotiations" no deal is by the far the best outcome so anything that looks like producing that outcome would be very welcome.
and who knows, if it does start to look very likely, we may even be able to get agreement over the withdrawal and transition without this "crucial" NI backstop, that was only introduced by the EU to force the UK to become a vassal state if it wanted an agreement.
Edited by JagLover on Monday 15th October 06:21
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