Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

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Nickgnome

8,277 posts

90 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Red 4 said:
Ah, right ...OK.

Depends which reports you listen to.

Some say 8000 riot police in Paris (I'd assume they mean CRS and Gendarmes Mobile in addition to "normal" police.

Others are saying 89,000 police have been mobilised.
Mobilised to where ?

90k does seem a lot in one place at the same time.
Logistics would be a nightmare.

France does have twice our police numbers though.
It’s actually less than 90,000 deployed and it is definitely the whole country.

Derek Smith

45,807 posts

249 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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One of the leaders of the demonstrators is holding a baguette. This is not the type of rioting I'm used to. Just now the Global News feed was showing groups of demonstrators walking away from the Arc. They were unmasked, apparently middle class, and only one had a beard.

If it is going to start, 'cause it hasn't yet, it might well be in the next hour or two.

Police moving in to catch those smashing windows.

There are police everywhere. All feeds show dozens over carriers, all seemingly awaiting disgorging their contents.

This is all rather atypical of French demonstrations. A bit confusing.

If the reports are correct, and the demonstrators are outnumbered 3:1, then that might be the reason.


Derek Smith

45,807 posts

249 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Nickgnome said:
Red 4 said:
Ah, right ...OK.

Depends which reports you listen to.

Some say 8000 riot police in Paris (I'd assume they mean CRS and Gendarmes Mobile in addition to "normal" police.

Others are saying 89,000 police have been mobilised.
Mobilised to where ?

90k does seem a lot in one place at the same time.
Logistics would be a nightmare.

France does have twice our police numbers though.
It’s actually less than 90,000 deployed and it is definitely the whole country.
I'm talking from a few years ago, but mobilsed does not mean out on foot.

Early reports stated nearly 90,000 all over France, with 31,000 demonstrators expected, most in the capital. That will include CRS; not really police officers as we know it, but a rather formidable tactical response unit that has little need to keep people sweet.

I can't help thinking that those policing the 'mob' will do something in order to ensure they are the ones who control the streets. Response is not a favoured option of theirs.


Tony427

2,873 posts

234 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Jordan210 said:
Wobbegong said:
Any images? I’ve seen one with Police National markings but that’s it.
Are we sure that these riot police are even French?

All dressed in black. Masked. Impossible to identify.

Carried around in Armoured cars with EU markings.

All a bit worrying.

Cheers,

Tony

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

78 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Brexit extremists will use these protests and images of EU badged APC's to spread their views, when the people get preached to and then ignored many will just accept these protests as Anti-Eu despite that being inaccurate.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Apparently protesters are chanting “we want trump”. (Yeah in his dreams maybe).



smifffymoto

4,590 posts

206 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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TBH the coverage is laughable and the numbers quoted wildly inacurate. Snapchat has lots of up to the minute clips from all over France.
Make up your own mind how big the protests are.

steveT350C

6,728 posts

162 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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sunbeam alpine

6,960 posts

189 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Jordan210 said:
Wobbegong said:
Any images? I’ve seen one with Police National markings but that’s it.
Could be a Belgian one. We lend them out.

Although we probably needed them in Brussels today........

Red 4

10,744 posts

188 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Tony427 said:
Are we sure that these riot police are even French?

All dressed in black. Masked. Impossible to identify.

Carried around in Armoured cars with EU markings.

All a bit worrying.

Cheers,

Tony
Why is it worrying ?

CRS;




Gendarmes Mobile;



Standard French Police kit in public order situations.

Not an uncommon sight in France.
The French like a bit of large scale disorder.

williamp

19,281 posts

274 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Jordan210 said:
Thatsto do with funding. They have just secured some extra funding for no reasonable reason, so can splash the cash on new kit to keep population in their place.

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

164 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Are these protests /riots mostly at weekends ?

Tony427

2,873 posts

234 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Red 4 said:
Tony427 said:
Are we sure that these riot police are even French?

All dressed in black. Masked. Impossible to identify.

Carried around in Armoured cars with EU markings.

All a bit worrying.

Cheers,

Tony
Why is it worrying ?

CRS;




Gendarmes Mobile;



Standard French Police kit in public order situations.

Not an uncommon sight in France.
The French like a bit of large scale disorder.
Because lets say six or eight of these riot police get a guy on the ground and start beating the bejasus out of him because they are all a bit excited. (There was a video last weekend showing exactly this. Beating, punching , kicking a guy on the ground)

And one of them delivers a fatal blow.

How can the guilty riot cop be identified. I cannot see any easily recognisable numbers or identifiable codes on their helmets etc.

And if you cannot identify them, who do you know who they are?

As I said its a bit worrying to have 9,000 armed, unidentifiable riot police in Paris with carte blanche ( see what I did there) to crack a few skulls. Never mind all the others all over France.

Cheers,

Tony

TheRainMaker

6,373 posts

243 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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At least the ones above have some sort of uniform, who is this guy?

Loads of them on youtube feeds, no uniform, no body armour, some have an orange band on the arm.

Who are they? by The Rain Maker, on Flickr

Tony427

2,873 posts

234 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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TheRainMaker said:
At least the ones above have some sort of uniform, who is this guy?

Loads of them on youtube feeds, no uniform, no body armour, some have an orange band on the arm.

Who are they? by The Rain Maker, on Flickr
Well that's one guy that will be wiping dog crap from his car's door handles every day for a couple of years.



PositronicRay

27,098 posts

184 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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BlackLabel said:
Apparently protesters are chanting “we want trump”. (Yeah in his dreams maybe).


If you read the side bit on the RT vids, plenty of people are

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Tony427 said:
Are we sure that these riot police are even French?

All dressed in black. Masked. Impossible to identify.
Well it wouldn’t be the first time someone impersonated a French riot police officer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benalla_affair


PositronicRay

27,098 posts

184 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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BlackLabel said:
Apparently protesters are chanting “we want trump”. (Yeah in his dreams maybe).


If you read the side bit on the RT vids, plenty of people are

Downward

3,660 posts

104 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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isaldiri said:
toppstuff said:
grumbledoak said:
As if he will do anything of the sort.
Did he not bring in some property tax to hit the rich ?
No. Macron amended the existing wealth tax to only include property and effectively hand a (large) tax cut to the rich.
No wonder Gary Linekar loves him.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

78 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Downward said:
isaldiri said:
toppstuff said:
grumbledoak said:
As if he will do anything of the sort.
Did he not bring in some property tax to hit the rich ?
No. Macron amended the existing wealth tax to only include property and effectively hand a (large) tax cut to the rich.
No wonder Gary Linekar loves him.
Is Garry married to his mother as well then ?