CV19 - The Anti Vaxxers Are Back

[Woody John]

WinstonWolf said:

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

Yup.

So let's expand on this. The Karen's are going to be shoving their way to the front of the queue for a jab they don't really need thereby depriving those who would actually benefit from it. Protect the vulnerable...

We're not going to go from no vaccine to having 66 million shots suddenly available are we?

And to bring it back in a bit, we all know people who have had the winter flu shot annually and have still got the flu.

[s2art]

WinstonWolf said:

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

Yup.

So let's expand on this. The Karen's are going to be shoving their way to the front of the queue for a jab they don't really need thereby depriving those who would actually benefit from it. Protect the vulnerable...

We're not going to go from no vaccine to having 66 million shots suddenly available are we?

If the vaccine passes all the tests by Octoberish, SKB thinks its possible to jab the bulk of the population by EOY. Remember production started some time ago.

[Woody John]

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

Yup.

So let's expand on this. The Karen's are going to be shoving their way to the front of the queue for a jab they don't really need thereby depriving those who would actually benefit from it. Protect the vulnerable...

We're not going to go from no vaccine to having 66 million shots suddenly available are we?

If the vaccine passes all the tests by Octoberish, SKB thinks its possible to jab the bulk of the population by EOY. Remember production started some time ago.

So they started mass producing a vaccine that has not passed all the tests?

[WinstonWolf]

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

Yup.

So let's expand on this. The Karen's are going to be shoving their way to the front of the queue for a jab they don't really need thereby depriving those who would actually benefit from it. Protect the vulnerable...

We're not going to go from no vaccine to having 66 million shots suddenly available are we?

If the vaccine passes all the tests by Octoberish, SKB thinks its possible to jab the bulk of the population by EOY. Remember production started some time ago.

66 million doctors appointments. That's going to be some interesting logistics as they're currently doing primarily video and telephone consultations. I can't see a problem here at all

[Gadgetmac]

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

If your under 40 you are more likely to die from a lightning strike than of Covid.

I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.

In the US over the last 30 years on average 43 people per year die from lightning strikes. How many in the US who are under 44 have died this year from Covid?

Let me tell you...it’s 610 or 4% of the deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavi...

#misinformationcounts

That's handy. Using your figures 610 have died from Covid and 1290 people have died from lightning strikes. There is indeed a lot of misinformation out there.

You’re comparing 30 years with 3 months

Try extrapolating an unvaccinated 30 years @ 610 per year and then compare which is more likely to kill you.

That about sums up the anti-vaxxer mindset.

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

I DO have the seasonal flu jab every single year.

[Woody John]

WinstonWolf said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

Yup.

So let's expand on this. The Karen's are going to be shoving their way to the front of the queue for a jab they don't really need thereby depriving those who would actually benefit from it. Protect the vulnerable...

We're not going to go from no vaccine to having 66 million shots suddenly available are we?

If the vaccine passes all the tests by Octoberish, SKB thinks its possible to jab the bulk of the population by EOY. Remember production started some time ago.

66 million doctors appointments. That's going to be some interesting logistics as they're currently doing primarily video and telephone consultations. I can't see a problem here at all

See all those pop up hospital that have never been used. Those are vaccination centres.

[WinstonWolf]

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

If your under 40 you are more likely to die from a lightning strike than of Covid.

I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.

In the US over the last 30 years on average 43 people per year die from lightning strikes. How many in the US who are under 44 have died this year from Covid?

Let me tell you...it’s 610 or 4% of the deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavi...

#misinformationcounts

That's handy. Using your figures 610 have died from Covid and 1290 people have died from lightning strikes. There is indeed a lot of misinformation out there.

You’re comparing 30 years with 3 months

Try extrapolating an unvaccinated 30 years @ 610 per year and then compare which is more likely to kill you.

That about sums up the anti-vaxxer mindset.

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

I DO have the seasonal flu jab every single year.

Then you should probably have this one too. I don't currently need it, it's of no benefit to me whatsoever.

As you're vulnerable you should take extra care of yourself...

[Gadgetmac]

WinstonWolf said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

Yup.

So let's expand on this. The Karen's are going to be shoving their way to the front of the queue for a jab they don't really need thereby depriving those who would actually benefit from it. Protect the vulnerable...

We're not going to go from no vaccine to having 66 million shots suddenly available are we?

If the vaccine passes all the tests by Octoberish, SKB thinks its possible to jab the bulk of the population by EOY. Remember production started some time ago.

66 million doctors appointments. That's going to be some interesting logistics as they're currently doing primarily video and telephone consultations. I can't see a problem here at all

As you’ve never had the flu jab you clearly don’t know how it works...66 million doctors appointments

[s2art]

Woody John said:

So they started mass producing a vaccine that has not passed all the tests?

Yes, and spent billions building the capability. See

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/coronavirus-astraz...

[WinstonWolf]

Woody John said:

WinstonWolf said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

Yup.

So let's expand on this. The Karen's are going to be shoving their way to the front of the queue for a jab they don't really need thereby depriving those who would actually benefit from it. Protect the vulnerable...

We're not going to go from no vaccine to having 66 million shots suddenly available are we?

If the vaccine passes all the tests by Octoberish, SKB thinks its possible to jab the bulk of the population by EOY. Remember production started some time ago.

66 million doctors appointments. That's going to be some interesting logistics as they're currently doing primarily video and telephone consultations. I can't see a problem here at all

See all those pop up hospital that have never been used. Those are vaccination centres.

I can see those mass gatherings really helping if that were to be the case...

[otolith]

Woody John said:

And to bring it back in a bit, we all know people who have had the winter flu shot annually and have still got the flu.

We were taught the Green Cross Code at school, and still one of my classmates was run over and killed. Clearly not worth teaching kids to cross the road.

[Gadgetmac]

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

If your under 40 you are more likely to die from a lightning strike than of Covid.

I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.

In the US over the last 30 years on average 43 people per year die from lightning strikes. How many in the US who are under 44 have died this year from Covid?

Let me tell you...it’s 610 or 4% of the deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavi...

#misinformationcounts

That's handy. Using your figures 610 have died from Covid and 1290 people have died from lightning strikes. There is indeed a lot of misinformation out there.

You’re comparing 30 years with 3 months

Try extrapolating an unvaccinated 30 years @ 610 per year and then compare which is more likely to kill you.

That about sums up the anti-vaxxer mindset.

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

I DO have the seasonal flu jab every single year.

Then you should probably have this one too. I don't currently need it, it's of no benefit to me whatsoever.

As you're vulnerable you should take extra care of yourself...

And I will but others are less fortunate than me and could come into contact with people like you or areas contaminated by people like you.

[WinstonWolf]

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

Yup.

So let's expand on this. The Karen's are going to be shoving their way to the front of the queue for a jab they don't really need thereby depriving those who would actually benefit from it. Protect the vulnerable...

We're not going to go from no vaccine to having 66 million shots suddenly available are we?

If the vaccine passes all the tests by Octoberish, SKB thinks its possible to jab the bulk of the population by EOY. Remember production started some time ago.

66 million doctors appointments. That's going to be some interesting logistics as they're currently doing primarily video and telephone consultations. I can't see a problem here at all

As you’ve never had the flu jab you clearly don’t know how it works...66 million doctors appointments

I suppose we could have telephone inoculations? DIY?

I hate to break this to you, but lockdown has pretty much closed the NHS for elective procedures.

[mx5nut]

928 GTS said:

mx5nut said:

How much of the unemployment rate in the US is people fired after throwing tantrums in public because of posts they read on social media that made them angry?

How long until it sinks in that doing stupid things in front of camera can lead to unemployment? There has been so many cases lately that it should be clear to anyone what end result will be yet people keep on behaving badly.

I wonder how much of this is them hearing made up stories on the same social media sites that made them angry about masks of how other people stood up, said something witty, refused to wear a mask because they were a patriot and everyone in the room applauded.

They seem to get even angrier when this doesn't happen.

[WinstonWolf]

Gadgetmac said:

And I will but others are less fortunate than me and could come into contact with people like you or areas contaminated by people like you.

Now call me reactionary but if I was vulnerable I'd be taking extra precautions to avoid exactly that scenario not leaving it to others.

[Gadgetmac]

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

And I will but others are less fortunate than me and could come into contact with people like you or areas contaminated by people like you.

Now call me reactionary but if I was vulnerable I'd be taking extra precautions to avoid exactly that scenario not leaving it to others.

So how many years would you like them to self-isolate for because you wont take the vaccine?

[DeWar]

WinstonWolf said:

66 million doctors appointments. That's going to be some interesting logistics as they're currently doing primarily video and telephone consultations. I can't see a problem here at all

We could probably administer a thousand jabs a day at my surgery if we needed to, without significantly disturbing routine running. One doctor or nurse can jab a patient every minute or two. The logistics are pretty straightforward. The limiting factor is always patient uptake when it comes to seasonal ‘flu.

[WinstonWolf]

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

And I will but others are less fortunate than me and could come into contact with people like you or areas contaminated by people like you.

Now call me reactionary but if I was vulnerable I'd be taking extra precautions to avoid exactly that scenario not leaving it to others.

So how many years would you like them to self-isolate for because you wont take the vaccine?

Ah, so it isn't altruism at all. You want the whole country in lockdown because you are?

I see...

[otolith]

WinstonWolf said:

I suppose we could have telephone inoculations? DIY?

Pharmacist, GP nurse, community nurse, school nurse.

WinstonWolf said:

I hate to break this to you, but lockdown has pretty much closed the NHS for elective procedures.

That's odd, I had an appointment for a thyroid biopsy last week.

[mx5nut]

WinstonWolf said:

Now call me reactionary but if I was vulnerable I'd be taking extra precautions to avoid exactly that scenario not leaving it to others.

The idea that we, as a society, should lock up our elderly and vulnerable indefinitely because the hard of thinking are scared of what they've read about a vaccine that doesn't exist yet by things they've read on social media is incredibly selfish.