Why the Corbyn hatred?
Discussion
Disastrous said:
jakesmith said:
You said they were inverted commas.
They aren’t. You got it wrong lad, as usual.
Haha, ok. If being right like this is the most wrong you can find, I’ll be quite happy thanks.They aren’t. You got it wrong lad, as usual.
Also, as usual?? I’m sorry, I haven’t a clue who you are.
Kent Border Kenny said:
Hereward said:
However, since this is a Corbyn thread surely we must mention the devastating consequence of left-wing thought so pervasive in UK teaching/unions 
When I was young, I just assumed, given how I was doing in school, that I’d go to Oxford and do a physics degree, then do a doctorate in particle physics at CERN.It never occurred to me that this might be up for debate. I was good enough, I loved the subject, so that was that. I didn’t discuss it, there seemed no need.
When it came time to apply to university, the prospectuses for most were in the library, but no Oxford or Cambridge.
I asked why not, and was told that they didn’t have them, as it cost £10 to apply, which would be a waste of money for “people like you”, by which they meant working class.
I decided that this seemed unlikely, so took £10, applied, and was invited to interview. After the interview, I was given an offer to attend if I achieved “two passes at A-level”, I.e. two E-grades or better.
No-one at the school seemed to want to make anything of this. They’d been graduating 500 pupils per year for twenty years, and I was the first to ever go to either of the top universities, but that wasn’t anything to celebrate.
It took me 5 years to realise it can't be that hard. All my place to learn to smoke peers work in simple manual labour roles still.. They stole 5 years of my life for assuming I was a down and outer due to the area I happened to be in. Given up smoking now.
To be fair I'm not sure if said peers are Labour or Tory voters but I could safely assume Tory as they likely read the likes of The Sun' who are pro Tory iirc?
Hereward said:
Bullet-Proof_Biscuit said:
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Interesting analogy I heard a long time ago and will always remember: In the UK, the attitude in school & general is 'Can I?', whereas in America, the attitude is 'I can!'. And I think a big part of that attitude is developed personally in young school formative years. Which I think Corbyn types are pro insofar as increasing school budgets to further youth education. ...
It's an interesting point, isn't it. I have often wondered the same. When travelling in the US I always note how self-confident everyone is (or they certainly portray it well). On YouTube typically the typical UK presenter will be reserved and hesitant and the US presenter confident and articulate. Just my little observations.Interesting analogy I heard a long time ago and will always remember: In the UK, the attitude in school & general is 'Can I?', whereas in America, the attitude is 'I can!'. And I think a big part of that attitude is developed personally in young school formative years. Which I think Corbyn types are pro insofar as increasing school budgets to further youth education. ...
Of course school and peer group must play a massive part but I think parents do too. Perhaps the US mentality is different based uppon their history - success and resultant wealth is something to be proud of and to strive for.
However, since this is a Corbyn thread surely we must mention the devastating consequence of left-wing thought so pervasive in UK teaching/unions
Bullet-Proof_Biscuit said:
Absolutely, it's the 'You can do it' classic Americano motto compared to the 'You probably can't do that old boy' motto of the UK, instilled in youf. What a shame. I have tell myself sometimes that I probably can do it, after 2 decades of indoctrination to the contrary,
Is it really true about the UK and the US, though? MC Bodge said:
Is it really true about the UK and the US, though?
I've been fortunate to have lived in the US, and the differences between our countries and cultures really are vast, even in NYC, which stands as separate to the rest of the US as London does to the rest of the UK.Attitudes to government, personal liberty, authority, society, race, education, they are all alien to a European, and made me realise just how similar we are across Europe to one another compared to how an European is (on average) relative to am American.
I loved my time there, and miss it, but I think that it's fait to say that I went there as an Englishman, and came home as a European.
It’s all very well you powerfully built know it all’s slagging him off. As though what you say is 100% correct lol I’d love to be that self confident .
However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
Chrissyboy555 said:
It’s all very well you powerfully built know it all’s slagging him off. As though what you say is 100% correct lol I’d love to be that self confident .
However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
Didn't he get trounced at the last election?However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
I think you're confusing "has a few thousand people that REALLY love him and loudly shout about it" with "appealing to the quiet majority of the 70m people in the UK"
Chrissyboy555 said:
It’s all very well you powerfully built know it all’s slagging him off. As though what you say is 100% correct lol I’d love to be that self confident .
However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
Indeed, which was more an reflection on how poor the Tory party of the time was. Even with that shambles to go up against, he still managed to fail to score in an open goal.However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
He has a lot of loud support in the echo chambers, which if you go and look in, you will be amazed that St Jeremy is not benevolent ruler of the known universe.
However the average person on the street sees him for the utterly reprehensible excuse for a human being that he is. Even the giveaways that he tried to bribe people with didn't work.
Look at it another way. People chose BORIS, in large numbers over him. That says all you need to know.
Chrissyboy555 said:
It’s all very well you powerfully built know it all’s slagging him off. As though what you say is 100% correct lol I’d love to be that self confident .
However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
He wasn't that far off? However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
It was the worst result by Labour in decades.
Are you allowed to go out unaided? Like, crossing the road on your own?
Kent Border Kenny said:
I've been fortunate to have lived in the US, and the differences between our countries and cultures really are vast, even in NYC, which stands as separate to the rest of the US as London does to the rest of the UK.
Attitudes to government, personal liberty, authority, society, race, education, they are all alien to a European, and made me realise just how similar we are across Europe to one another compared to how an European is (on average) relative to am American.
I loved my time there, and miss it, but I think that it's fait to say that I went there as an Englishman, and came home as a European.
Funnily enough, I had a similar experience (of working in the US and in Europe, with people from all over the world, and visiting family friends in the US) and I also identified more as a European as a result. Attitudes to government, personal liberty, authority, society, race, education, they are all alien to a European, and made me realise just how similar we are across Europe to one another compared to how an European is (on average) relative to am American.
I loved my time there, and miss it, but I think that it's fait to say that I went there as an Englishman, and came home as a European.
The US is a big country, though, and there are some big differences between, say, technical professionals in Urban New England and blue collar workers in the rural Mid West.
I have no experience of deprived ethnic minorities in the urban US, but I suspect that not all have that can-do, work hard/make money, attitude in 2020, even if they did in the more industrial past.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd November 11:03
Chrissyboy555 said:
It’s all very well you powerfully built know it all’s slagging him off. As though what you say is 100% correct lol I’d love to be that self confident .
However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
He lead them to the largest election defeat in 80 years, giving the Conservatives a big enough majority that they can put through nearly any legislation that they want.However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
In the 2017 election he returned 55 seats fewer than the Conservatives did. That's far off getting into power.
As for the "clever" but, I am amazed that people still sneer at others because they are intelligent. It's real old Labour to do that, to look down on people with a good level of general intelligence, and to look up to people like Corbyn, who are severely mentally challenged, as this somehow makes them more "real".
Why do you do this? Why do you hold up idiocy as a good thing? It's not anything to criticise someone for, as it's innate, but we don't want people with an 85 IQ heading government.
Chrissyboy555 said:
It’s all very well you powerfully built know it all’s slagging him off. As though what you say is 100% correct lol I’d love to be that self confident .
However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
The worst Labour result since 1935. However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
18% positive approval rating. 59% negative approval rating.
'plenty of support' - he couldn't beat Theresa May at her most abject.
By all means like the guy, if you like the guy, but why make things up?
Ganglandboss said:
Bullet-Proof_Biscuit said:
Doesn't he cycle to work and have the lowest expenses budget of the lot of them? I just think he'd a bit too hippy for his own good,
If only there was a website that placed details of MPs' expenses at your fingertips...You could then discover that comment is b*ll*cks.
Take our local least-worse MP for example, really made the most of his short time back in the hot seat.
https://www.mpsexpenses.info/?#!/mp/207
Kent Border Kenny said:
He lead them to the largest election defeat in 80 years, giving the Conservatives a big enough majority that they can put through nearly any legislation that they want.
In the 2017 election he returned 55 seats fewer than the Conservatives did. That's far off getting into power.
It was a long way off in terms of seats, but not so much in terms of the popular vote.In the 2017 election he returned 55 seats fewer than the Conservatives did. That's far off getting into power.
The UK system really is skewed. Look at the numbers of votes compard with the number of seats for the different parties.... The SNP vote punches above its weight (compare with the Greens and the Lib Dems). You need only win a seat by one vote as the biggest minority in a constituency. Labour balls-ed up by not supporting electoral reform when they had the chance.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd November 11:53
Chrissyboy555 said:
It’s all very well you powerfully built know it all’s slagging him off. As though what you say is 100% correct lol I’d love to be that self confident .
However labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
Hahaha - you fHowever labour weren’t that far off getting into power with him when all said and done.
So he obviously had plenty of support.
Not here of course with ya flash cars and look at me aren’t I clever mentalities
kin what mate? How on Earth do you equate the biggest election defeat in Labour history (or close to it) and the loss of some of the strongest Labour constituencies, some of which have NEVER been anything but Labour, with "not far off getting into power"? You are utterly deluded, my friend. He was an unmitigated disaster for the party and would have been ruinous for the country. MC Bodge said:
It was a long way off in terms of seats, but not so much in terms of the popular vote.
The UK system really is skewed. Look at the numbers of votes compard with the number of seats for the different parties.... The SNP vote punches above its weight (compare with the Greens and the Lib Dems). You need only win a seat by one vote as the biggest minority in a constituency. Labour balls-ed up by not supporting electoral reform when they had the chance.
But that's how the system is designed, it takes a small edge in the vote and returns a larger swing in seats, it's a feature, not a bug.The UK system really is skewed. Look at the numbers of votes compard with the number of seats for the different parties.... The SNP vote punches above its weight (compare with the Greens and the Lib Dems). You need only win a seat by one vote as the biggest minority in a constituency. Labour balls-ed up by not supporting electoral reform when they had the chance.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd November 11:53
The arguments that say that if you took them to a victory of 1 in each marginal seat can be played for any election, and you can always produce a big swing in either direction if you suppose that each marginal seat, starting at the most marginal, moved just enough to flip, but that doesn't say that the losing party was actually close to winning.
MC Bodge said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
He lead them to the largest election defeat in 80 years, giving the Conservatives a big enough majority that they can put through nearly any legislation that they want.
In the 2017 election he returned 55 seats fewer than the Conservatives did. That's far off getting into power.
It was a long way off in terms of seats, but not so much in terms of the popular vote.In the 2017 election he returned 55 seats fewer than the Conservatives did. That's far off getting into power.
The UK system really is skewed. Look at the numbers of votes compard with the number of seats for the different parties.... The SNP vote punches above its weight (compare with the Greens and the Lib Dems). You need only win a seat by one vote as the biggest minority in a constituency. Labour balls-ed up by not supporting electoral reform when they had the chance.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 3rd November 11:53
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
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