Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Moonhawk]

In the interests of fairness - if there is a future referendum - can the question be changed to

"Should Scotland remain in the UK".

That way the nationalist, separatists have to contend with pushing a negative "No" campaign.

[Munter]

DJRC said:

How the fk is that a positive? All it will mean is MORE politics MORE govt at various levels.

We want LESS politics and less ppl involved in politics so that we have less govt! The entire aim of any sane person should be to ensure govt at any level is as far removed and irrelevant to them as at all possible. That is the only way you can minimise the negative impact that politicians have on your life.

Sort of what he said.

I'd prefer 1 lot of central, and one lot of local. That's it. Your local ones spend their budget in the best way to look after local interests. The central lot look after national policy.

So:
1: Westminster
2: Town Council

KISS

[so called]

Petrus1983 said:

Is anyone else just really pleased/proud to be part of a country that allows such freedom of speech and democracy? With all the troubles around the world, seeing a decisive decision being handled purely democratically is just re-assuring overall.

I was watching a debate on the referendum in Germany last night and, apart from the Germans being pleased that SNP were positive towards Europe, several stated how impressive it was that the UK could have such a hugely important decision done in such an impressively and democratically stable way.

[Monkeythree]

I think the moronic grin, the complete lack of any sense of dissappointment and crucially, the words "at this stage" betray the real agenda of Mr Salmond. He didn't expect to win. He NEVER expected to win.

If he really thought that Scotland would vote for independence yesterday, he would have been more careful to close up the gaping holes in the white paper and to provide credible answers to the many questions he has faced in recent weeks and months.

Yesterday was no more than a stepping stone for Salmonds own political advancement. He needed to get Westminster by the bawbag, he succeeded. That he should do so in the name of democracy (and at some considerable expense to the UK purse) is repugnant.

[Rovinghawk]

"That government is best which governs least.”

Thomas Jefferson.

[Moonhawk]

so called said:

I was watching a debate on the referendum in Germany last night and, apart from the Germans being pleased that SNP were positive towards Europe, several stated how impressive it was that the UK could have such a hugely important decision done in such an impressively and democratically stable way.

Yep I would agree with that.

When you look at the way some nationalists/separatists go about getting their 'views' across in other areas of the world (and even other areas of the UK) - it does make what little threat/intimidation that did exist from a few bad eggs in this referendum seem rather tame and civilised by comparison.

I guess that has to be recognised and applauded to some degree. The fact that we could have this debate/vote without a single shot fired or a single letter bomb posted should be taken as extremely positive - and is a credit to all British people regardless of which side their opinion comes down on.

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 19th September 10:27

[anonymous-user]

I may reconsider my earlier statement.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/us-now-or-never/#comm...

wkers.

ETA do a search for "English" on that page. The chips on the shoulders will be visible from space.

Edited by OpulentBob on Friday 19th September 10:25

[Piersman2]

so called said:

Petrus1983 said:

Is anyone else just really pleased/proud to be part of a country that allows such freedom of speech and democracy? With all the troubles around the world, seeing a decisive decision being handled purely democratically is just re-assuring overall.

I was watching a debate on the referendum in Germany last night and, apart from the Germans being pleased that SNP were positive towards Europe, several stated how impressive it was that the UK could have such a hugely important decision done in such an impressively and democratically stable way.

Not surprised they found it impressive, aren't the Germans more used to amalgamating than dividing?

[Gilhooligan]

Cobnapint said:

But why the fk should you get it? What makes Scotland so fking special? What is wrong with being run from the democratically accepted capital of Great Britain?

You voted No!


Jocks - get over yourselves, FFS!

Calm down. You sound like a dick. The more powers each country in the UK has the better imo. Just because something works for England, doesn't mean it's best for Scotland, Wales or N. Ireland.

[anonymous-user]

An interesting last few weeks, and a huge to all those who worked in the polling stations yesterday

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Yay for Scotland and Gordon Brown, savour of the UK!

English people keep paying for (an increasing amount of) free stuff they don't get themselves. Scottish people keep getting free stuff and even more devolved powers.

Are you at work yet Bedford? rest assured YOUR tax is going straight to Scotland. I'm off to ride the Edinburgh tram (you definitely paid for some of that) to pick up some free stuff.

I hope Scottish MPs keep voting on English only issues.

[JF87]

Funniest thing about those lottery-winners who donated £1 million to the Yes campaign is that if it had been a Scottish Lottery, they'd have won about 48p.

[2013BRM]

DJRC said:

2013BRM said:

On a more adult note, the only positive I can see from this is that it has focussed attention on Westminster and, hopefully, made more people think about Democracy

How the fk is that a positive? All it will mean is MORE politics MORE govt at various levels.

We want LESS politics and less ppl involved in politics so that we have less govt! The entire aim of any sane person should be to ensure govt at any level is as far removed and irrelevant to them as at all possible. That is the only way you can minimise the negative impact that politicians have on your life.

Oh I agree with having less politics but we want a shed load less apathy too

[blinkythefish]

Welshbeef said:

Welshbeef said:

So what did burger vote in the end?
Is Fluffy balls emigrating
Is VincterPrick going to start a new movement
Does Fluffy get a refund?
Does XJS and PVC driver get to chill out.


Do all Pro Yes on this thread now accept the settled will of the Scottish people and stop banging in about splitting away? You will never again be offered the choice /in you're lifetime.



So who's for a Fully fedral UK ? I am. But I do want the wealthier parts of the union supporting the weaker parts and happy for that to continue.

Hi any chance of an answer to this my friend Burger?

I saw an answer from Edinburger about that - I think it was 40 pages back - He explained that he'd voted No in the end.

[iphonedyou]

A Wings Over Scotland wingnut said:

It is now a decisive win for No.
The SNP will be nothing more than a spectator at the next UK GE.

I admire and support all efforts to continue to push and attack the media and the establishment quislings.

However the SNP leadership is, understandably, talking about working with the smoke and mirros agenda for some additional responsibilities and respecting the whole once in a generation thing.

We need to face facts. It does look like disaffected voters have somehow decided to get out and vote No. I just cannot get my head round this, regardless of the Media lies. As I said earlier Scotland is now a Region.

People who voted no out of fear and would have liked to be independent will gradually come to regret their decision but will not be able to do a thing about it. I pity them.

I am gutted for my parents who probably wont be around to see another referendum.
I am gutted for the Catalans who will now have a very difficult time securing their own vote and getting it recognised by Spain. Clearly the international community will turn their heads and see it as an internal issue.

Finally I am gutted for those who know in every fibre of their body that we needed a Yes and went out and tried to persuade others. I am lucky I now live in France and the sight of my british passport sickens me. I may have to become French, not because I feel am French but the UK is largely anti Europe and xenophobic. I don’t have to suffer that too.

Just full scale mental. And, one can assume, selectively myopic in where they identify xenophobia. I'd argue he's the xenophobe, really.

[Dogwatch]

Moonhawk said:

In the interests of fairness - if there is a future referendum - can the question be changed to

"Should Scotland remain in the UK".

That way the nationalist, separatists have to contend with pushing a negative "No" campaign.

I think that next time round everyone will know what is coming and Salmond, or his successor, will have a much tougher job getting the referendum on terms he would like. For example perhaps a 66% (or higher) majority might be baked in for any future constitutional change.

[Chimune]

Only 75% of Glaswegians voted ?
Were they busy ?

[Piersman2]

Chimune said:

Only 75% of Glaswegians voted ?
Were they busy ?

Isn't Thursday night Giro night?

[anonymous-user]

iphonedyou said:

Just full scale mental. And, one can assume, selectively myopic in where they identify zenophobia. I'd argue he's the xenophobe, really.

He's definitely a xenophobe. I notice from my Scottish friends, those who were 'yes' supporters were usually living abroad.

[marshalla]

el stovey said:

He's definitely a xenophobe. I notice from my Scottish friends, those who were 'yes' supporters were usually living abroad.

You know Sean Connery and Andy Murray ? Wow!