Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! Vol 3
Discussion
PushedDover said:
markyb_lcy said:
You two need to pack it in on throwing around insults to other posters.- What** is indefensible?
What’s your theory and where is your evidence to what is the cause?
PushedDover said:
No thanks I’m good here.
I’ve said my point and you two have wrecked a thread on QT for four pages now. Congrats
Whatever. You’ve contributed to that about as much as I have.I’ve said my point and you two have wrecked a thread on QT for four pages now. Congrats
Perhaps you’re conflating me with others that Tuna has clashed with because I’ve only made a few points on it.
Happy to get back on topic if you have anything to discuss with regard to QT. Otherwise, I’ll be here on Thursday as I always am to discuss the thing that comes around once a week this thread is about and spawned said discussion that you say has “ruined” it.
Have a nice flounce.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Sunday 11th October 22:25
markyb_lcy said:
PushedDover said:
You’re clearly thick if you think that proves people are complying less in those areas. I just watched the exact same report.I wouldn't bother. There's little point engaging in a battle of wits with someone who doesn't even have the brainpower to remember what vwords came out of his own mouth.
The same rule applies to "Tuna" - who I see is also getting a real kicking on the Boris Johnson thread. Unsurprisingly.
Edited by Red 4 on Sunday 11th October 22:38
markyb_lcy said:
Is there any evidence at all that in the areas where the spread is higher and increasing at the highest rates, that compliance is materially lower?
If we want to avoid the pointless North vs South narrative, we could look at Leicester and Nottingham - are they middle ground enough? I believe in both cases, the outbreaks they have experienced have been attributed to conditions where compliance has been materially lower - in Leicester's case due to poor working conditions and Nottingham down to student mixing. (Happy to be corrected if I've got that wrong).Indeed, surely the issue with care homes was that staff and residents mixing often breached the guidelines for reducing transmission, if only because known or suspected cases were difficult to isolate from the rest of their community?
One of the great things I find about PH is how there are many posters to learn from.
Subjects that broaden horizons. Increase knowledge.
This bickering and deafening polarisation shown in the last four pages has ruined an entertaining and informative thread.
So Nope, nothing further on the matter in the simple hope that the toxic flames -and pseudo-insults by you and Red4, in what was an enjoyable thread, get starved of oxygen you need.
Subjects that broaden horizons. Increase knowledge.
This bickering and deafening polarisation shown in the last four pages has ruined an entertaining and informative thread.
So Nope, nothing further on the matter in the simple hope that the toxic flames -and pseudo-insults by you and Red4, in what was an enjoyable thread, get starved of oxygen you need.
PushedDover said:
One of the great things I find about PH is how there are many posters to learn from.
Subjects that broaden horizons. Increase knowledge.
This bickering and deafening polarisation shown in the last four pages has ruined an entertaining and informative thread.
So Nope, nothing further on the matter in the simple hope that the toxic flames -and pseudo-insults by you and Red4, in what was an enjoyable thread, get starved of oxygen you need.
Ironic on so many levels.Subjects that broaden horizons. Increase knowledge.
This bickering and deafening polarisation shown in the last four pages has ruined an entertaining and informative thread.
So Nope, nothing further on the matter in the simple hope that the toxic flames -and pseudo-insults by you and Red4, in what was an enjoyable thread, get starved of oxygen you need.
Tuna said:
markyb_lcy said:
Is there any evidence at all that in the areas where the spread is higher and increasing at the highest rates, that compliance is materially lower?
If we want to avoid the pointless North vs South narrative, we could look at Leicester and Nottingham - are they middle ground enough? I believe in both cases, the outbreaks they have experienced have been attributed to conditions where compliance has been materially lower - in Leicester's case due to poor working conditions and Nottingham down to student mixing. (Happy to be corrected if I've got that wrong).Indeed, surely the issue with care homes was that staff and residents mixing often breached the guidelines for reducing transmission, if only because known or suspected cases were difficult to isolate from the rest of their community?
Have you got any sources for these claims that these are the specific causes of the higher transmission rates?
Clearly Leicester within some industries has a problem with poor working conditions. That existed before covid and is frankly a problem that needs solving even outside of this.
I’ve not seen any quantitive data on it affecting transmission tho, so I’d love to see that if you can point to it.
As for student mixing, that’s happening all over. Plenty of universities in, for example, London.
PushedDover said:
markyb_lcy said:
You two need to pack it in on throwing around insults to other posters.Tuna said:
markyb_lcy said:
Is there any evidence at all that in the areas where the spread is higher and increasing at the highest rates, that compliance is materially lower?
If we want to avoid the pointless North vs South narrative, we could look at Leicester and Nottingham - are they middle ground enough? I believe in both cases, the outbreaks they have experienced have been attributed to conditions where compliance has been materially lower - in Leicester's case due to poor working conditions and Nottingham down to student mixing. (Happy to be corrected if I've got that wrong).Indeed, surely the issue with care homes was that staff and residents mixing often breached the guidelines for reducing transmission, if only because known or suspected cases were difficult to isolate from the rest of their community?
Have you ever been a student ? In halls ? Students do what they do. Only a fool would think any differently.
Care homes ? You must have forgotten. Hancock put a protective ring around those. Whatever that was.
Blame the staff though. You are so predictable
Red 4 said:
"Filthy northerners" relates to Tuna's assertion that if we all keep our distance and wash our hands then all will be well with the world. Given that the virus is more prevalent in the North he must mean we don't wash our hands and we all live in tribes.
You're a funny dude.............I'm not really sure whether it is a deliberate wind up act or you're just a 15W bulb; hard to tell but your posting history suggests the latter. No matter, btw, keep going, you're as funny as f
k. 
Crackie said:
Red 4 said:
"Filthy northerners" relates to Tuna's assertion that if we all keep our distance and wash our hands then all will be well with the world. Given that the virus is more prevalent in the North he must mean we don't wash our hands and we all live in tribes.
You're a funny dude.............I'm not really sure whether it is a deliberate wind up act or you're just a 15W bulb; hard to tell but your posting history suggests the latter. No matter, btw, keep going, you're as funny as fk. Irrespective, I've got a stalker ! I'm flattered.
markyb_lcy said:
Attributed, maybe, by people with an agenda to avoid culpability themselves.
Have you got any sources for these claims that these are the specific causes of the higher transmission rates?
Leicester:Have you got any sources for these claims that these are the specific causes of the higher transmission rates?
BBC said:
So what has caused this? In short, the virus still being present and not enough social distancing.
...
Density of population is bound to be factor, but other issues are at play too. There seems to be signs of transmission in workplaces, suggesting social distancing guidelines are not been adhered to as well as they should, and also transient workers passing through.
From here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53235709...
Density of population is bound to be factor, but other issues are at play too. There seems to be signs of transmission in workplaces, suggesting social distancing guidelines are not been adhered to as well as they should, and also transient workers passing through.
Nottingham:
Nottingham Post said:
The mixing of various households has been identified as the main cause of Nottingham's coronavirus surge.
From here: https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/mai...I get that some people on here think that this is about "blaming", or diverting attention, but right at the beginning, the WHO provided the simple statistic that if you maintain 6' distance from someone with Covid, you are 85% less likely to get the disease. (from recollection) Equally, the less time you spend with them, the less likely you are to get the disease. That's not a political point, it's basic medicine. Whilst you can point to lots of other factors as to why that might be difficult to do (and those might certainly be political), we know how the disease is transmitted and how we can slow it down.
Indeed, the whole point about Trump catching it was that he and a bunch of other morons decided to have a social event in the middle of a pandemic where they completely ignored the basic guidelines.
Tuna said:
markyb_lcy said:
Attributed, maybe, by people with an agenda to avoid culpability themselves.
Have you got any sources for these claims that these are the specific causes of the higher transmission rates?
Leicester:Have you got any sources for these claims that these are the specific causes of the higher transmission rates?
BBC said:
So what has caused this? In short, the virus still being present and not enough social distancing.
...
Density of population is bound to be factor, but other issues are at play too. There seems to be signs of transmission in workplaces, suggesting social distancing guidelines are not been adhered to as well as they should, and also transient workers passing through.
From here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53235709...
Density of population is bound to be factor, but other issues are at play too. There seems to be signs of transmission in workplaces, suggesting social distancing guidelines are not been adhered to as well as they should, and also transient workers passing through.
Nottingham:
Nottingham Post said:
The mixing of various households has been identified as the main cause of Nottingham's coronavirus surge.
From here: https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/mai...I get that some people on here think that this is about "blaming", or diverting attention, but right at the beginning, the WHO provided the simple statistic that if you maintain 6' distance from someone with Covid, you are 85% less likely to get the disease. (from recollection) Equally, the less time you spend with them, the less likely you are to get the disease. That's not a political point, it's basic medicine. Whilst you can point to lots of other factors as to why that might be difficult to do (and those might certainly be political), we know how the disease is transmitted and how we can slow it down.
Indeed, the whole point about Trump catching it was that he and a bunch of other morons decided to have a social event in the middle of a pandemic where they completely ignored the basic guidelines.
article said:
Speaking of what has led to the increase, the city's Director for Public Health, Alison Challenger, told Nottinghamshire Live: "It is going to be a range of things.
So yea, this is evidence that people think like you but little else.markyb_lcy said:
Tuna, these are two newspaper opinion pieces, they are not reliable sources of evidence for your theory. Indeed, they are just saying what you are saying with little to back up the claims. Evidence that people agree with you isn’t evidence of your shared claims. Even the wording from the PHE rep in the Nottingham article is a dead giveaway that the claim isn’t backed up...
We're now getting to the politicisation of the pandemic, with people denying basic medical facts because they don't suit their politics. A disease cannot spread unless infected people mix with extended groups. It really is that simple.Things like Track and Trace don't magically stop people from getting infected - they just give health providers more detailed information about who needs to follow the guidelines more strictly, and who needs to isolate. Until we get a vaccine there is simply no other means to restrict the spread.
It's nuts that people on here go on about "filthy Northerners" (!) and attempt to make this into a left vs right or north vs south thing. But yes, of course, this is just my opinion. By all means pretend that this is an evil Tory plot to subjugate the working class.
Tuna said:
We're now getting to the politicisation of the pandemic, with people denying basic medical facts because they don't suit their politics. A disease cannot spread unless infected people mix with extended groups. It really is that simple.
This is actually not true Tuna.If you have the virus and you isolate with your family of say 4 others, then you can still spread the virus to 4 others. In fact, the rules actually increase the likelihood you’ll infect those 4 people because they compel you to spend more (all your) time in the house and around them.
Perhaps the percentage of larger households in a given area is a factor in itself? None of the current restrictions and rules are likely to affect inter-household spread.
Have I said anything about “Tory plots”?
Edited by markyb_lcy on Monday 12th October 10:07
Tuna said:
It's nuts that people on here go on about "filthy Northerners" (!) and attempt to make this into a left vs right or north vs south thing. But yes, of course, this is just my opinion. By all means pretend that this is an evil Tory plot to subjugate the working class.
You're the one who said the reason for the increase in the north was solely due to people breaking the rules.You're the one who said if we all just washed our hands and maintained social distancing then this wouldn't be happening (North v South thing).
Nobody has said this is an evil Tory plot to subjugate the working class. You're paranoid. Keep on climbing down and backtracking though. Maybe you shouldn't have jumped in with both feet to start with.
But then again, as has been pointed out, you are so keen to provide a Melchett like defence of The Consevatives that any old nonsense will do. Don't be surprised when people ask for evidence of your statements and take you to task on them.
If anyone has politicised this it is you. Ironic or what ?
Edited by Red 4 on Monday 12th October 11:19
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