Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

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Senex

2,993 posts

178 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Can't have an election during the Scottish school holidays?

Why's that then?

Does everyone in Scotland spend the entire six weeks in Florida?

How about they only spend five weeks in Florida and spend a few days visiting Muckle Flugga where they can enjoy practising their Gaelic.


Roderick Spode

3,183 posts

51 months

Thursday 23rd May
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CambsBill said:
NoddyonNitrous said:
Matheson's sentencing this Thursday.
Standards Committee recommend both a financial penalty and 27 day suspension. Not unanimously - two SNP members voted against the suspension rolleyes

The recommendation now goes to MSP's for approval. Any bets which way that'll go?
I so hope the SNP and Greens all vote against it. Dreadful optics in the mouth of a General Election.

irc

7,579 posts

138 months

Thursday 23rd May
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As the Greens are no longer in govt I predict against or abstain. As for 27 days. Just an extended holiday to Egypt then. Just need to get the wifi password for the Euros.

Is suspension unpaid? Or is it actually just a holiday?

Mercdriver

2,178 posts

35 months

Thursday 23rd May
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FMQ today swinney defending the indefensible, mathieson been attacked by both tories and labour. They are pointing out, rightly, than in industry he would have been sacked.

Tory intend to raise a motion next week on a vote for him to resign.

Be interesting to see where the greens vote,

irc

7,579 posts

138 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Update - actually docked 54 day's pay. So not just a holiday. Though if he was as the last FM claimed a "man of integrity" he would resign.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...

alangla

4,935 posts

183 months

Thursday 23rd May
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irc said:
As the Greens are no longer in govt I predict against or abstain. As for 27 days. Just an extended holiday to Egypt then. Just need to get the wifi password for the Euros.

Is suspension unpaid? Or is it actually just a holiday?
54 days unpaid apparently

irc

7,579 posts

138 months

Thursday 23rd May
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I am shocked! Shocked and suprised I am!

Looks like Douglas Ross was right when he called him "Not So Honest John".

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24340852.swinn...

Edited by irc on Thursday 23 May 13:11

Leithen

11,196 posts

269 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Whatever we, as a nation, are guilty of, be it Irn-Bru, Deep Fried Mars Bars, Bagpipes, Adam Smith, we don't deserve this shuddering dogpile of ineptitude and ignorance.

Every level of Scottish government is just so deeply depressingly ste.

Evercross

6,111 posts

66 months

Ian974

2,963 posts

201 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Unelected first minister complains with a straight face about Scotland having an unelected prime minister forced upon them...

wc98

10,579 posts

142 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Evercross said:
She has my utmost sympathy having to spend time in his presence in a professional capacity.

I was in several meetings with him present back in 2016 when the SQA were setting the scene for their forthcoming disasters and I came to the conclusion then that his entire modus operandi was to say whatever he had been told to say in the most bland and disarming manner. I could see even then that he was just a puppet. The SQA had fed him a pile of complete falsehoods and he just parroted them in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary from everyone else in the room, except the shortly-after-to-be-dismissed director of the SQA.

The impression I came away with was that the SNP government were just freewheeling (something I have since referenced many times in here) and day-to-day policy held absolutely no interest for them, hence we are now in the situation that a decade of neglect and lack of interest in accountability eventually leads to.
To date it's the one and only time i have seen her angry, she is one of the most level headed calm people i know. He must have made a real impression.

Re your last paragraph, i'm not smart enough to sum up the entire tenure of the SNP as succinctly as that, but that really is spot on and it is sad that so many people never saw them for what they were. It's evidenced starkly every time one of them is interviewed on TV on a topic that requires more than one word answers. Clearly obvious they know nothing about departments they are involved in and in some cases in charge of.

The fear i have is we are so far down the road of incompetence there is an entire generation of Scottish voters that know nothing more and are stuck in the tribalistic nature of SNP style politics.

wc98

10,579 posts

142 months

Thursday 23rd May
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CambsBill said:
Standards Committee recommend both a financial penalty and 27 day suspension. Not unanimously - two SNP members voted against the suspension rolleyes

The recommendation now goes to MSP's for approval. Any bets which way that'll go?
After watching first ministers question time it looks like Swinney is backing him to the hilt and doesn't support this. He got a right doing from Douglas Ross and Anas Sarwar as a result.

Jasey_

4,953 posts

180 months

Thursday 23rd May
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wc98 said:
CambsBill said:
Standards Committee recommend both a financial penalty and 27 day suspension. Not unanimously - two SNP members voted against the suspension rolleyes

The recommendation now goes to MSP's for approval. Any bets which way that'll go?
After watching first ministers question time it looks like Swinney is backing him to the hilt and doesn't support this. He got a right doing from Douglas Ross and Anas Sarwar as a result.
Yep - What an absolute cock.

He's treating the Scottish people with complete contempt.

Matheson should have been sacked - but to not back the committee's recommendation because there is a nasty Tory in the committee shows how far all these s are willing to go to avoid any sort of responsibility for their frankly illegal actions.

Swiney rambling on about how if a nasty employer said some bad words about a thieving scumbag he's come down heavy on the nasty employer shows you just what a that prick is !!

When are the SNP police force going to put charges against these corrupt bds ?

Roderick Spode

3,183 posts

51 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Oh my. Honest John is really pushing the boat out now.

Stephen Daisley said:
Bloody hell.

John Swinney backs Michael Matheson. Says the process to suspend him was tainted by bias. Cites the involvement of
@AnnieWellsMSP
. Swinney says he will not be supporting the sanction.

Ahead of an election, too. Swinney is taking a hell of a gamble here. #fmqs
https://x.com/JournoStephen/status/179359960334410...

irc

7,579 posts

138 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Bias??? Did he or did he not falsely claim £11k and try and cover it up?

It is quite simple.

Mercdriver

2,178 posts

35 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Quote “ Ahead of an election, too. Swinney is taking a hell of a gamble here.”


Good for you John, keep gamblingsmile

rider73

3,133 posts

79 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Has matherson got something the SNP don't want out there if
He gets sacked..

cuprabob

14,897 posts

216 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Mercdriver said:
Quote “ Ahead of an election, too. Swinney is taking a hell of a gamble here.”


Good for you John, keep gamblingsmile
Talking about gambling, raffle tickets will be on sale soon to fund the election campaign. First prize is a low mileage motorhome.

General Price

5,294 posts

185 months

Thursday 23rd May
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cuprabob said:
Talking about gambling, raffle tickets will be on sale soon to fund the election campaign. First prize is a low mileage motorhome.
2nd prize is a ferry,needs a little work.

Roderick Spode

3,183 posts

51 months

Thursday 23rd May
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General Price said:
cuprabob said:
Talking about gambling, raffle tickets will be on sale soon to fund the election campaign. First prize is a low mileage motorhome.
2nd prize is a ferry,needs a little work.
3rd prize is dinner with Nicola Sturgeon...