UKIP - The Future - Volume 3

[mrpurple]

Digga said:

Dog Star said:

I'll tell you what - I'm getting very pissed off with the arrogant and somehow condescending attitudes of the (almost always) leftie types in this.

You me and an awful lot of people it would seem - some 16,000 odd in Rochester.

Dog Star said:

Evidently UKIP voters are "thick", "uneducated", "racist", "bigots" etc etc. The arrogance of these people astonishes me. It just proves how totally out of touch with the proverbial "man in the street" that they are. Getting sick of it.

This is, generally, the retort of the bien-pensant left, the received wisdom from their sources of 'news', although it is not beneath the Conservatives to stoop to this level of name calling. It is still a very common misconceptino that UKIP are the new BNP.

They say they "get it" but they don't really do they?

[bucksmanuk]

A rumour that won’t go away in Aylesbury is that Liddington (local Tory MP) may be defecting. Tories pushing ahead with HS2 is going to compromise his chances. The fact he is Minister for Europe could make it that bit more amusing.

[egor110]

mrpurple said:

Digga said:

Dog Star said:

I'll tell you what - I'm getting very pissed off with the arrogant and somehow condescending attitudes of the (almost always) leftie types in this.

You me and an awful lot of people it would seem - some 16,000 odd in Rochester.

Dog Star said:

Evidently UKIP voters are "thick", "uneducated", "racist", "bigots" etc etc. The arrogance of these people astonishes me. It just proves how totally out of touch with the proverbial "man in the street" that they are. Getting sick of it.

This is, generally, the retort of the bien-pensant left, the received wisdom from their sources of 'news', although it is not beneath the Conservatives to stoop to this level of name calling. It is still a very common misconceptino that UKIP are the new BNP.

They say they "get it" but they don't really do they?

They say they get it , but it's too late , the public have had enough and will vote for a change.

[Esseesse]

bucksmanuk said:

A rumour that won’t go away in Aylesbury is that Liddington (local Tory MP) may be defecting. Tories pushing ahead with HS2 is going to compromise his chances. The fact he is Minister for Europe could make it that bit more amusing.

http://www.ukip-aylesbury.com/ukip/liddington-defe...

[steveT350C]

Reckless live in the commons now on iplayer

[Zod]

So what happened to the landslide? It was a decent victory for UKIP, but there were predictions reported in this thread of 49% and statements to the effect that the BBC could find nobody in Rochester who wasn't voting UKIP.

3000 is not a big majority to defend in May.

[bucksmanuk]

Esseesse said:

http://www.ukip-aylesbury.com/ukip/liddington-defe...

that sign has been taken down now, rumour mill still going though

[chris watton]

Zod said:

So what happened to the landslide? It was a decent victory for UKIP, but there were predictions reported in this thread of 49% and statements to the effect that the BBC could find nobody in Rochester who wasn't voting UKIP.

3000 is not a big majority to defend in May.

You still lost yet another seat.



ETA - And you had a Tory majority of almost 10,000!

Edited by chris watton on Friday 21st November 11:37

[Timsta]

chris watton said:

You still lost yet another seat.

Yeah, but... no, but.... well, they didn't get the 49% that some said.

[carinaman]

Digga said:

Dog Star said:

I'll tell you what - I'm getting very pissed off with the arrogant and somehow condescending attitudes of the (almost always) leftie types in this.

You me and an awful lot of people it would seem - some 16,000 odd in Rochester.

Dog Star said:

Evidently UKIP voters are "thick", "uneducated", "racist", "bigots" etc etc. The arrogance of these people astonishes me. It just proves how totally out of touch with the proverbial "man in the street" that they are. Getting sick of it.

This is, generally, the retort of the bien-pensant left, the received wisdom from their sources of 'news', although it is not beneath the Conservatives to stoop to this level of name calling. It is still a very common misconceptino that UKIP are the new BNP.

It's the Metropolitan Labour Elite, and/or Common Purpose?

Smearing isn't a Common Purpose tactic is it?

Perhaps someone called Emily Thornberry to the wrong bar?

It's amusing that someone that may have been involved in Press Regulation has tripped themselves up with their own Tweet.

The Press are exploiting it, or Emily Thornberry is a victim of her own stupidity?

Edited by carinaman on Friday 21st November 11:40

[Einion Yrth]

Zod said:

So what happened to the landslide? It was a decent victory for UKIP, but there were predictions reported in this thread of 49% and statements to the effect that the BBC could find nobody in Rochester who wasn't voting UKIP.

3000 is not a big majority to defend in May.

You are increasingly pathetic.

[JBF50]

Zod said:

So what happened to the landslide? It was a decent victory for UKIP, but there were predictions reported in this thread of 49% and statements to the effect that the BBC could find nobody in Rochester who wasn't voting UKIP.

3000 is not a big majority to defend in May.

At the GE UKIP support will fall, they will be lucky to get two seats.

[Timsta]

JBF50 said:

At the GE UKIP support will fall, they will be lucky to get two seats.

I think I'll just quote this so we can come back to point and laugh.

[carinaman]

Timsta said:

JBF50 said:

At the GE UKIP support will fall, they will be lucky to get two seats.

I think I'll just quote this so we can come back to point and laugh.

What are the chances of the three established parties making Muppets of themselves before May?

Would those chances be reduced if some of them reduced their Tweeting?

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

It's because they think they are -

A) superior or an élite, and
B) they have a right to govern.

Well they're in for a shock.

In one! Along with a huge dose of arrogance and a distinct lack of humility.

[FiF]

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

So what happened to the landslide? It was a decent victory for UKIP, but there were predictions reported in this thread of 49% and statements to the effect that the BBC could find nobody in Rochester who wasn't voting UKIP.

3000 is not a big majority to defend in May.

You are increasingly pathetic.

Of course it doesn't serve his purpose to comment on those of us who called it correctly. Those that said it was going to be close, that without getting the 2010 non voters out it was neck and neck. UKIP got some of them out, organised operation against a Tory party that threw not only the kitchen sink at it, but the contents of the kitchen and the utility room.

Nevertheless personally think they, Cons, as things stand have a reasonable chance of getting it back in the GE.

There will always be some who get carried away in the hubris and have expectations that in the cold light of day were never realistically achievable. Rather like the champagne fuelled Tory conference hubris of we will smash them in Rochester.

That sort of stuff is an irrelevance.

[anonymous-user]

chris watton said:

You still lost yet another seat.



ETA - And you had a Tory majority of almost 10,000!

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 21st November 11:37

"yet another" is a bit premature when describing the second of two.

I will be genuinely impressed when UKIP wins a seat by putting up its own homegrown candidate, who starts from a a base of basically zero, and pinches the seat from Labour or Conservative.

Sitting MPs who defect from party A to party B have the not inconsiderable advantage of being able to carry with them a fair amount of personal constituency support. I'm very doubtful that it tells us much about how the public will vote in a GE in a constituency where the UKIP candidate appears pretty much from nowhere.

But we shall see. What seems increasingly likely is that a majority Govt in May may require a three way coalition, and that the smaller parties are increasingly distancing themselves from wanting to enter into coalitions. It seems doubtful, to me at least, that the next Parliament will run the full five year term.

[JBF50]

[quote=Greg66]



I will be genuinely impressed when UKIP wins a seat by putting up its own homegrown candidate, who starts from a a base of basically zero, and pinches the seat from Labour or Conservative.

A party whose policies are about giving wealth and power to the rich, dressed up as an anti-Establishment insurgency with a strong element of racists and right wing ex-Torys will struggle to do that in a GE.

[turbobloke]

JBF50 said:

A party whose policies are about giving wealth and power to the rich, dressed up as an anti-Establishment insurgency with a strong element of racists and right wing ex-Torys will struggle to do that in a GE.

UKIP should be OK then.

[anonymous-user]

dandarez said:

The Kipper train keeps rolling. Nothing seems to be able to stop it. And more keep boarding!

Seem to recall that I promised you this. Only fair that I make good on it: