Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
AstonZagato said:
I'm always shocked how seemingly intelligent people can, with all seriousness, say "the ends justify the means" in their political choices. It often seems to come up with Corbyn too.
Because they are making those choices on a pre-formed or ideological basis, not one grounded in fact and the realities presented..I see our glorious leader was boring London to death yesterday with her anti-Brexit, pro-indy b
ks, including meeting May. I haven't seen or heard the useless wee runt speaking after the meeting, so I assume she was told once again to fk off and leave it to the proper politicians?
But it's all good, because we're now gonna get River City on BBC Scotland as well as BBC One Scotland. That's the sort of Scotland I want.
ks, including meeting May. I haven't seen or heard the useless wee runt speaking after the meeting, so I assume she was told once again to fk off and leave it to the proper politicians?But it's all good, because we're now gonna get River City on BBC Scotland as well as BBC One Scotland. That's the sort of Scotland I want.
The Orwellian nightmare has been confirmed.
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"Police Scotland have replied to my (and many others) concerns about their anti-hate campaign I reported the police to themselves for breaching their own guidelines here.."
.. previous..[I would recommend you take a few minutes to read through it..as it sets his quite significant case..]
https://theweeflea.com/2018/10/03/19824/
Now they have replied…and it is an astonishing reply –
https://theweeflea.com/2018/10/15/the-big-picture-...
"Why is that astonishing? Because the police, or rather Chief Superintendent John McKenzie, seems unaware of his own legislation which states that a hate incident is something that occurs in the ‘perception of the victim or any other person to be motivated by malice or ill will towards a social group’ . It does not matter whether the alleged perpetrator took their actions based on malice or ill will – it’s the perception of the victim that they did which counts. It is a daft criteria but it is the one on which the police say they operate – except apparently when it involves themselves. Even though many people regard this and have reported it as a hate incident, the police say that the motivation of the perpetrators (the Scottish Government and the Police) was not based on malice or ill will and therefore this will not be reported as a hate incident – no further action will be taken (and presumably this won’t go down in their official records as a reported hate incident – it appears that some hate incidents are more equal than others!).
What is the Bigger Picture?
The question then is are the police hierarchy so illogical that they can’t see the contradiction between their laws and their actions? Or does this really show us what the bigger picture is? This poster campaign is not about stopping ‘hate’ against all people – it’s a selective campaign based upon a political ideology designed to discriminate in favour of certain groups and against others"...more..
Edited to sort link and add background story link
Quote.
"Police Scotland have replied to my (and many others) concerns about their anti-hate campaign I reported the police to themselves for breaching their own guidelines here.."
.. previous..[I would recommend you take a few minutes to read through it..as it sets his quite significant case..]
https://theweeflea.com/2018/10/03/19824/
Now they have replied…and it is an astonishing reply –
https://theweeflea.com/2018/10/15/the-big-picture-...
"Why is that astonishing? Because the police, or rather Chief Superintendent John McKenzie, seems unaware of his own legislation which states that a hate incident is something that occurs in the ‘perception of the victim or any other person to be motivated by malice or ill will towards a social group’ . It does not matter whether the alleged perpetrator took their actions based on malice or ill will – it’s the perception of the victim that they did which counts. It is a daft criteria but it is the one on which the police say they operate – except apparently when it involves themselves. Even though many people regard this and have reported it as a hate incident, the police say that the motivation of the perpetrators (the Scottish Government and the Police) was not based on malice or ill will and therefore this will not be reported as a hate incident – no further action will be taken (and presumably this won’t go down in their official records as a reported hate incident – it appears that some hate incidents are more equal than others!).
What is the Bigger Picture?
The question then is are the police hierarchy so illogical that they can’t see the contradiction between their laws and their actions? Or does this really show us what the bigger picture is? This poster campaign is not about stopping ‘hate’ against all people – it’s a selective campaign based upon a political ideology designed to discriminate in favour of certain groups and against others"...more..
Edited to sort link and add background story link
Edited by Kccv23highliftcam on Wednesday 17th October 01:14
But but but, did you know we are getting a BBC Scotland channel next year? Which will include a 'Scottish Six' (shown at nine), will consist of 50% repeats and will show 'premiere' River City a day before it normally airs on BBC One Scotland? It's a snip at £34m.
That's the sort of relevant and progressive stuff us indy punters want to see. Not dry procedural stuff about right, wrong, whatevs
That's the sort of relevant and progressive stuff us indy punters want to see. Not dry procedural stuff about right, wrong, whatevs
technodup said:
But but but, did you know we are getting a BBC Scotland channel next year? Which will include a 'Scottish Six' (shown at nine), will consist of 50% repeats and will show 'premiere' River City a day before it normally airs on BBC One Scotland? It's a snip at £34m.
That's the sort of relevant and progressive stuff us indy punters want to see. Not dry procedural stuff about right, wrong, whatevs
And what about this weekend's big right on virtual signalling event?That's the sort of relevant and progressive stuff us indy punters want to see. Not dry procedural stuff about right, wrong, whatevs
Go sleep in slessor park surrounded by police to show "solidarity" with the brothers and sisters on the streets...here's a better idea, take the money you'll spend travelling and on the "right gear" and donate it to the sally army or other such like charity that actually does something worthwhile!
Perhaps I’m not reading into it far enough...(!)... but I thought “Dear Bigots”, “religious hatred” was referring to Catholics who abuse Protestants, Muslims who abuse Christians, vice versa, and even non religious people who abuse those of religion. Because of this, and without reading the reply from the Polieas, it would seem an overeaction to complain.
* I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
* I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Edited by simoid on Tuesday 16th October 10:07
Kccv23highliftcam said:
technodup said:
But but but, did you know we are getting a BBC Scotland channel next year? Which will include a 'Scottish Six' (shown at nine), will consist of 50% repeats and will show 'premiere' River City a day before it normally airs on BBC One Scotland? It's a snip at £34m.
That's the sort of relevant and progressive stuff us indy punters want to see. Not dry procedural stuff about right, wrong, whatevs
And what about this weekend's big right on virtual signalling event?That's the sort of relevant and progressive stuff us indy punters want to see. Not dry procedural stuff about right, wrong, whatevs
Go sleep in slessor park surrounded by police to show "solidarity" with the brothers and sisters on the streets...here's a better idea, take the money you'll spend travelling and on the "right gear" and donate it to the sally army or other such like charity that actually does something worthwhile!
Kccv23highliftcam said:
And what about this weekend's big right on virtual signalling event?
Go sleep in slessor park surrounded by police to show "solidarity" with the brothers and sisters on the streets...
One of my pals did that in Edinburgh a couple of years ago. Did it not solve homelessness? Was his discomfort in vain?Go sleep in slessor park surrounded by police to show "solidarity" with the brothers and sisters on the streets...
I'm shocked.
simoid said:
Perhaps I’m not reading into it far enough...(!)... but I thought “Dear Bigots”, “religious hatred” was referring to Catholics who abuse Protestants, Muslims who abuse Christians, vice versa, and even non religious people who abuse those of religion. Because of this, and without reading the reply from the Polieas, it would seem an overeaction to complain.
* I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Be careful there, simoid. Close to the line. Interesting choice of words. * I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Edited by simoid on Tuesday 16th October 10:07
technodup said:
Kccv23highliftcam said:
And what about this weekend's big right on virtual signalling event?
Go sleep in slessor park surrounded by police to show "solidarity" with the brothers and sisters on the streets...
One of my pals did that in Edinburgh a couple of years ago. Did it not solve homelessness? Was his discomfort in vain?Go sleep in slessor park surrounded by police to show "solidarity" with the brothers and sisters on the streets...
I'm shocked.
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Perhaps I’m not reading into it far enough...(!)... but I thought “Dear Bigots”, “religious hatred” was referring to Catholics who abuse Protestants, Muslims who abuse Christians, vice versa, and even non religious people who abuse those of religion. Because of this, and without reading the reply from the Polieas, it would seem an overeaction to complain.
* I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Be careful there, simoid. Close to the line. Interesting choice of words. * I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Edited by simoid on Tuesday 16th October 10:07
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Perhaps I’m not reading into it far enough...(!)... but I thought “Dear Bigots”, “religious hatred” was referring to Catholics who abuse Protestants, Muslims who abuse Christians, vice versa, and even non religious people who abuse those of religion. Because of this, and without reading the reply from the Polieas, it would seem an overeaction to complain.
* I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Be careful there, simoid. Close to the line. Interesting choice of words. * I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Edited by simoid on Tuesday 16th October 10:07
And then you have the auducity to post that?
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Perhaps I’m not reading into it far enough...(!)... but I thought “Dear Bigots”, “religious hatred” was referring to Catholics who abuse Protestants, Muslims who abuse Christians, vice versa, and even non religious people who abuse those of religion. Because of this, and without reading the reply from the Polieas, it would seem an overeaction to complain.
* I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Be careful there, simoid. Close to the line. Interesting choice of words. * I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Edited by simoid on Tuesday 16th October 10:07
And then you have the auducity to post that?
...unless you have some contribution to the SNP/Police Scotland hate crimes matter?
Edinburger said:
You sit in Ibrox week after week watching the flags and listening to your fellow fans singing vile sectarian hatred, abusing other fans and players and managers... and the authorities turn a blind eye to it.
And then you have the auducity to post that?
Oooh, the flags, the flags! And then you have the auducity to post that?
If you didn't take your knee jerk 'Rangers bad' approach you might find that certain 'offensive' bits are being removed from songs, so where once the line was 'we hate Celtic, fenian b
ds' lots now sing 'we hate Celtic, we hate Celtic'. https://youtu.be/DcBIGb8kLjA?t=408But you know, facts and s
t. Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Perhaps I’m not reading into it far enough...(!)... but I thought “Dear Bigots”, “religious hatred” was referring to Catholics who abuse Protestants, Muslims who abuse Christians, vice versa, and even non religious people who abuse those of religion. Because of this, and without reading the reply from the Polieas, it would seem an overeaction to complain.
* I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Be careful there, simoid. Close to the line. Interesting choice of words. * I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Edited by simoid on Tuesday 16th October 10:07
And then you have the auducity to post that?
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Perhaps I’m not reading into it far enough...(!)... but I thought “Dear Bigots”, “religious hatred” was referring to Catholics who abuse Protestants, Muslims who abuse Christians, vice versa, and even non religious people who abuse those of religion. Because of this, and without reading the reply from the Polieas, it would seem an overeaction to complain.
* I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Be careful there, simoid. Close to the line. Interesting choice of words. * I don’t see a “religious bigot” as a bigot who is religious, it’s someone who is bigoted towards someone else’s religion
Edited by simoid on Tuesday 16th October 10:07
And then you have the auducity to post that?
...unless you have some contribution to the SNP/Police Scotland hate crimes matter?
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
You sit in Ibrox week after week watching the flags and listening to your fellow fans singing vile sectarian hatred, abusing other fans and players and managers... and the authorities turn a blind eye to it.
And then you have the auducity to post that?
Oooh, the flags, the flags! And then you have the auducity to post that?
If you didn't take your knee jerk 'Rangers bad' approach you might find that certain 'offensive' bits are being removed from songs, so where once the line was 'we hate Celtic, fenian b
ds' lots now sing 'we hate Celtic, we hate Celtic'. https://youtu.be/DcBIGb8kLjA?t=408But you know, facts and s
t. t posts in this long running thread.I was at the last Hibs v Rangers game (the 5-5 one) and trust me there was no end of sectarian hatred being sung by the majority of the away support. We booed the tripe, as always, to drown it out. Mr Lennon was targeted. Usual knuckle-dragging from The Rangers support. Embarrassing.
And that behaviour my friend, is one aspect of Scottish culture which our friends across the border will probably never understand. Supporters of Glaswegian clubs singing about battles over 300 years ago.
But you know, facts and s
t. Edinburger said:
No. Yet again, you try to portray some sort of naivety and I was flagging that.
Am I missing something here, or do you just have a hair trigger?simoid said:
... vice versa....
Pretty clear by the above there was no particular group being identified as perpetrators, or even victims. The subject was all religious bigotry - how on Earth did you find something to 'flag'?Wrathalanche said:
Edinburger said:
No. Yet again, you try to portray some sort of naivety and I was flagging that.
Am I missing something here, or do you just have a hair trigger?simoid said:
... vice versa....
Pretty clear by the above there was no particular group being identified as perpetrators, or even victims. The subject was all religious bigotry - how on Earth did you find something to 'flag'?It was clearly a rant against ALL religious bigotry in whatever direction but Burger seemingly chose to interpret it as an anti-Catholic rant. Odd.
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