Tony Blair is a national hero

[richardxjr]

Never thought I'd agree with anything that Caroline Lucas says, but she was 100% on the nail with this on Newsnight last night. He's contaminated and utterly deluded.

[Digga]

richardxjr said:

Never thought I'd agree with anything that Caroline Lucas says, but she was 100% on the nail with this on Newsnight last night. He's contaminated and utterly deluded.

How much has he paid Google so that the phrase "war criminal" does not auto-complete after you put his name into the search bar?

[irocfan]

El stovey said:

Isn't the point that this isn't the Labour Party. Tony Blair is looking at a new party that represents centrist left people and is anti Brexit. Probably quite a large group really.

Labour has drifted further left under Corby. The parliamentary Labour Party have been unwilling to split so in comes Blair to fill the gap.

isn't the bearded wonder Branson looking to start an 'anti-Brexit' movement... would tie in very nicely with His Sleezyness TB

[Digga]

irocfan said:

isn't the bearded wonder Branson looking to start an 'anti-Brexit' movement... would tie in very nicely with His Sleezyness TB

Many a true word said in jest: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...

Old news it seems.

Personally, I think Branson - who's always enjoyed reasonably good public opinion - is making an error of epic proportions embroiling himself in this, let alone giving a platform to Blair.

[Derek Smith]

Digga said:

Derek Smith said:

I think that might well be Blair's hook. He was nothing if not stable and if, as is very possible, there is internal grief in the tories after the type of brexit means brexit route, then he's got a good card to play - I was stability itself.

Except it wasn't, really, and I'm not having a dig at you for voting as you did. (FWIW I had to be out of the country and was unable to vote the first time around, so have always been annoyed at not having got a postal vote sorted.)

The Blair era was dysfunctional; Blair got on with the "big I am" statesman, grandstanding bullst, whilst the chancellor was allowed to get up to all sorts of mischief, like knackering everyone's pension funds and begging the ROW to buy our gold. That sort of stuff. Then there was the rather odious phenomenon of un-elected bds like Mandleson and Campbell being gifted quasi-governmental roles.

The point is not what Blair did, but how he can make himself appear to the electorate. There is no such thing as history, only spin.

If, and I accept it is up for argument, brexit doesn't go entirely to plan and a number of people get upset, then they will blame May. I blame her already for whatever she does.

The thing to ask is what the electorate might do. Vote for Corbyn? Farron? There's the opportunity Blair, ever the carpet bagger, is looking for. If Corbyn has as little support as the thread on here would suggest, then he might well be right.

I'm not sure that there is a vacancy, but Blair, for all his faults, isn't stupid. If he thinks there's a gap, I'd suggest there is one. He would have advisers. Who am I to argue against it?

If there are disgruntled labour MPs who fear that Corbyn will lose them seats, or that deselection looms, then they could wander over. That might well lend Blair credibility.

This politics business is unpredicatable

[Patrick Bateman]

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[s3fella]

Has anyone mentioned he is a yet?

[johnxjsc1985]

Tony Blair is a toxic Brand and will never hold Political office again. He is unique in being hated by the Left,Right and the Centre. Lets see how he does at a Public forum.

[FourWheelDrift]

Current opinion polling (we know how accurate that is) suggests, but they are probably not far off.

Conservative 41%
Labour 28%
UKIP 12%
LibDem 9%
SNP 6%
Green 4%
Others 0%

so if the Evil one creates a new party out of his minions and splits Labour support it will be something like

Conservative 41%
Labour 14%
Acolytes of the Devil 14%
UKIP 12%
LibDem 9%
SNP 6%
Green 4%
Others 0%

How is that going to help him or them?

[johnxjsc1985]

FourWheelDrift said:

Current opinion polling (we know how accurate that is) suggests, but they are probably not far off.

Conservative 41%
Labour 28%
UKIP 12%
LibDem 9%
SNP 6%
Green 4%
Others 0%

so if the Evil one creates a new party out of his minions and splits Labour support it will be something like

Conservative 41%
Labour 14%
Acolytes of the Devil 14%
UKIP 12%
LibDem 9%
SNP 6%
Green 4%
Others 0%

How is that going to help him or them?

isn't 40% the number required to get a majority Gov. Hopefully the new Boundary changes will be in effect ready for 2020

[anonymous-user]

FourWheelDrift said:

Current opinion polling (we know how accurate that is) suggests, but they are probably not far off.

Conservative 41%
Labour 28%
UKIP 12%
LibDem 9%
SNP 6%
Green 4%
Others 0%

so if the Evil one creates a new party out of his minions and splits Labour support it will be something like

Conservative 41%
Labour 14%
Acolytes of the Devil 14%
UKIP 12%
LibDem 9%
SNP 6%
Green 4%
Others 0%

How is that going to help him or them?

Won't loads of the middle ground floating conservatives that don't want Brexit and did well under Blair, vote for him like they did previously?

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/no-public-app...

Maybe not!

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 25th November 18:14

[cayman-black]

s3fella said:

Has anyone mentioned he is a yet?

He is a just incase!

[rallycross]

This man should be locked up in jail for what he did and here he is making a come back - the bare faced cheek of him!

[FourWheelDrift]

rallycross said:

This man should be locked up in jail for what he did and here he is making a come back - the bare faced cheek of him!

5 have tried to arrest him - http://www.arrestblair.org/war-crimes-reports

[Derek Smith]

mybrainhurts said:

Errr, you're talking about Tony Blair here....the most self important British politician of all time.

Er, you missed my point completely.

The ones whom the electorate like voting out are those who argue amongst themselves for petty points making, as the tories were doing in 97. It was pathetic. Instead of coming up with a semi-coherent policy, the different factions were vying to power inside the party. They'd been doing it for some time as well.

The floating voter, like it or not, is the key to any election. They got the tories voted in at the last one, if only just. The floating voter wins most elections.

[johnxjsc1985]

The word "Toxic" and Blair are not strange bedfellows no floating voter will go near him.

[Derek Smith]

johnxjsc1985 said:

The word "Toxic" and Blair are not strange bedfellows no floating voter will go near him.

That remains to be seen. Much stranger things have happened. We don't have to look far back in time to see dishonest MPs making comebacks. (Not that I'm suggesting Blair is dishonest of course, merely pointing out an 'in extremis' example.)

Some people even want some patently dishonest MPs to lead parties. Now that to me is strange.

[johnxjsc1985]

Blair is a special case and Is hated by people from all sides of the Political divide and he is hated most by Labour Voters. Not a chance in hell of getting anywhere near any sort of Westminster power people would take to the streets.

[Mothersruin]

rallycross said:

This man should be locked up in jail for what he did and here he is making a come back - the bare faced cheek of him!

Just remember who was in his gang - it's breathtaking to think they happily go about their extraordinarily lucrative lives without being held to account for anything, Vaz just being the latest.

How Mandelson isn't in jail just beggars belief.

[johnxjsc1985]

Mothersruin said:

Just remember who was in his gang - it's breathtaking to think they happily go about their extraordinarily lucrative lives without being held to account for anything, Vaz just being the latest.

How Mandelson isn't in jail just beggars belief.

Blair thinks we both want him and need him and I think he is in for one hell of a reality check if he dares put his head above the barricades.