Tim Farron

[Norfolkit]

Challo said:

I thought the soundbite of 'hard brexit' was annoying, now it seems that 'extreme brexit' is the statement of the left. What happened to just using brexit. No one knows if its soft, hard or extreme.

Surely that should be soft, hard or semi Brexit

[andy43]

Well, another begging letter from Little Tim today, plus a separate envelope from some random ex-tory MEP.
Nearly into double figures on the LibDum desperate literature totaliser now, I should have kept them all (or even read them) to see if there's anything without the words Brexit and May in it.
F-ing ridiculous waste of money, paper and resources.
Even the dog ignores their letters.

[budgie smuggler]

italianjob1275 said:

Did I hear correctly that the Lib Dems want to ban all diesel cars and vans?!

No you didn't hear corectly. They want to ban the sale of new diesel cars and vans by 2025. They also want to start a diesel scrappage scheme. At no point have they said they will ban existing diesel cars or vans.

[e21Mark]

jsf said:

syko89 said:

Seems sensible to have another referendum once we know the facts?

Anyone who thinks offering another referendum on the deal is a lunatic, it provides no incentive to the EU to work towards a deal that works for both parties, it's a massive gamble.

EU - This is the deal we will offer you, its st.
UK referendum - We reject the st deal
EU - Tough titty, stay in then
UK electorate - fk off, WTO it is
EU and Lib Dums - Oh fk, we didn't expect that, we are screwed


What we currently have is

EU - this is our start position, its st
UK government - fk off, WTO it is
EU - OK, lets talk
UK government - indeed lets try and come up with a workable solution
EU and UK government - This is the best deal we can come to for all the people of Europe, lets give it a go.

or possibly

EU - this is our start position, its st
UK government - fk off, WTO it is
EU - OK, we wont budge because we don't give a stuff about the people of Europe, the political project is more important
UK government - OK, WTO it is, screw you, prepare for pain on both sides, Ireland is dead.
EU - oh fk, the project is screwed

If you want to increase the chance of having a bad deal for both sides, do what the Lib Dems propose.

This is all assuming the Euro hasn't imploded by then during the Italian elections.

EU's day are numbered anyway. There's such disparity between the economies of the member nations and the UK's leaving may well encourage others to follow suit. Juncker will no doubt be a thorn in the side of all exit negotiations but he has enough to worry about judging by the EU's own money problems.

I can't see the point of a second referendum either. The information was out there and anyone who genuinely based their decision on a bus mounted tag line has only themselves to blame. There's a world market out there and we should be concentrating our energies on that, not bleating about wanting to change a decision we (as a nation) have already made.

[italianjob1275]

budgie smuggler said:

italianjob1275 said:

Did I hear correctly that the Lib Dems want to ban all diesel cars and vans?!

No you didn't hear corectly. They want to ban the sale of new diesel cars and vans by 2025. They also want to start a diesel scrappage scheme. At no point have they said they will ban existing diesel cars or vans.

Oh right that's still mental!

[paulrockliffe]

covmutley said:

Legend83 said:

Things I didn't like:


- apparent open-door migration policy

Maybe, but I was disappointed tories have gone back to the 10's of thousands figure. The right of the tory party does seem to be getting its way more and more.

I am all for a sensible, controlled immigration policy.

But I honestly believe we need quote a bit of immigration to service the NHS, London, service industries and to help fund the baby boomers in retirement.

That maybe true in the short-term, but the reason it's like that is that is because why would you train people to do a job when you can poach someone from elsewhere already trained? Fine in principle, if a little selfish, but where it creates contingent additional liabilities that fall on the tax-base rather than the employer - pensions, benefits, health care, schooling etc, it's not necessarily a good position for the country as a whole.

In lots of cases the country as a whole would be better off if the NHS or whatever business trained the people they need. That's the reason why there's a salary minimum for immigration that doesn't rely on EU rights and why there's a £2,000 'training' cost in the Conservative manifesto attached to the employment of migrant workers.

[Lance Catamaran]

italianjob1275 said:

budgie smuggler said:

italianjob1275 said:

Did I hear correctly that the Lib Dems want to ban all diesel cars and vans?!

No you didn't hear corectly. They want to ban the sale of new diesel cars and vans by 2025. They also want to start a diesel scrappage scheme. At no point have they said they will ban existing diesel cars or vans.

Oh right that's still mental!

Banning all diesel buses and private hire cars from urban areas within 5 years as well

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/liberal-democ...

[Ayahuasca]

I wonder why he bothers to get up in the morning.

[Lance Catamaran]

It's a few months old, but Lib Dem MP gives up on an interview when pressed on a second referendum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WfwX68E6Ys

[Biker 1]

Looks like Tim Who might well be completely fked now - even the BBC are admitting that the 48% have actually dwindled to 22%, & many punters don't even know who the leader of the Libdems actually is:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39969275

[JesusSaves]

Legend83 said:

Things I liked:

- focus on education
- council tax levy on 2nd homes / buy-to-leave properties
- target abuse of zero hour contracts, rather than removing them altogether
- UK wide fibre broadband
- take over Govia Thameslink service (it's my line and it can't possibly be worse than it already is)

Things I didn't like:

- stance on Brexit
- uber-focus on renewable energy
- apparent open-door migration policy

Exactly my view.

Watching Farron on Sky now and finding myself agreeing with most he says.
I've voted blue all my life, but not sure I can this time.

[Deptford Draylons]

Biker 1 said:

Looks like Tim Who might well be completely fked now - even the BBC are admitting that the 48% have actually dwindled to 22%, & many punters don't even know who the leader of the Libdems actually is:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39969275

Plus being constantly sub 10% in the polls suggest not a lot of remainers are attracted to the one party offering a stupid stitch up.

[FN2TypeR]

Deptford Draylons said:

Biker 1 said:

Looks like Tim Who might well be completely fked now - even the BBC are admitting that the 48% have actually dwindled to 22%, & many punters don't even know who the leader of the Libdems actually is:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39969275

Plus being constantly sub 10% in the polls suggest not a lot of remainers are attracted to the one party offering a stupid stitch up.

They still might grab a Tory seat here or there in the South, the affluent remainer ones - particularly if they have been Lib Dem held in the past.

Their Brexit stance doesn't appear to have done them much good at all though. Which is smashing.

[Biker 1]

FN2TypeR said:

They still might grab a Tory seat here or there in the South, the affluent remainer ones - particularly if they have been Lib Dem held in the past.

I will be astonished if lib-dums even keep the seats they have. Watch this space.....

[johnxjsc1985]

It seems the Labour vote and the Tory Vote are being supported by flagging Libdems and UKIP voters.

[budgie smuggler]

Thought he was pretty decent on the debate last night.

Liked his closing statement

https://streamable.com/m5m8x

Edited by budgie smuggler on Thursday 1st June 10:28

[laserservo]

Biker 1 said:

I will be astonished if lib-dums even keep the seats they have. Watch this space.....

They were talking about winning Manchester Gorton, before the general election stopped that by-election. I don't foresee them retaining somewhere like Richmond Park, where those who didn't turnout for the by-election are most likely to be voting conservative, this time round. Still, it will be interesting because I imagine that many who abandoned them due to the coalition period, are not necessarily aligned with the current Labour leadership and shadow cabinet.

[footnote]

budgie smuggler said:

Thought he was pretty decent on the debate last night.

Liked his closing statement

https://streamable.com/m5m8x

Edited by budgie smuggler on Thursday 1st June 10:28

Tim will always have a place in my heart for that closing statement.

Summed up Theresa May and the tories perfectly - bam!

[turbobloke]

footnote said:

budgie smuggler said:

Thought he was pretty decent on the debate last night.

Liked his closing statement

https://streamable.com/m5m8x

Edited by budgie smuggler on Thursday 1st June 10:28

Tim will always have a place in my heart for that closing statement.

Summed up Theresa May and the tories perfectly - bam!

The words of a loser, Tim Who, amen to that.

[footnote]

turbobloke said:

footnote said:

budgie smuggler said:

Thought he was pretty decent on the debate last night.

Liked his closing statement

https://streamable.com/m5m8x

Edited by budgie smuggler on Thursday 1st June 10:28

Tim will always have a place in my heart for that closing statement.

Summed up Theresa May and the tories perfectly - bam!

The words of a loser, Tim Who, amen to that.

What's the first rule of leadership?