Uber and VAT

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anonymous-user

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55 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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Thank you for the update, very interested in the outcome of this. Let's hope Uber's cozying up to the government doesn't prevail...

Cold

15,266 posts

91 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Annd they're back. In London anyway. A fifteen month extension on their licence after a judge agreed that they've got their st together.

Fit and proper

Police State

4,068 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Cold said:
Annd they're back. In London anyway. A fifteen month extension on their licence after a judge agreed that they've got their st together.

Fit and proper
Establishment looking after their own again. What's new?

Even the Irish government kicked them out.

The Mad Monk

10,491 posts

118 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Police State said:
Cold said:
Annd they're back. In London anyway. A fifteen month extension on their licence after a judge agreed that they've got their st together.

Fit and proper
Establishment looking after their own again. What's new?

Even the Irish government kicked them out.
Could you specific what your objection to Uber is?

Police State

4,068 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
Police State said:
Cold said:
Annd they're back. In London anyway. A fifteen month extension on their licence after a judge agreed that they've got their st together.

Fit and proper
Establishment looking after their own again. What's new?

Even the Irish government kicked them out.
Could you specific what your objection to Uber is?
The worse kind of rapacious corporation I can think of, that cares nothing about the rule of law until hit hits their profit line.

I don't want to live in an uber kind of world.

johnfm

13,668 posts

251 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Police State said:
The Mad Monk said:
Police State said:
Cold said:
Annd they're back. In London anyway. A fifteen month extension on their licence after a judge agreed that they've got their st together.

Fit and proper
Establishment looking after their own again. What's new?

Even the Irish government kicked them out.
Could you specific what your objection to Uber is?
The worse kind of rapacious corporation I can think of, that cares nothing about the rule of law until hit hits their profit line.

I don't want to live in an uber kind of world.
You prefer a world where a tax dodging black cab driver can pick and choose his fares and earn £100k plus for driving a car around London? Heh

Police State

4,068 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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johnfm said:
Police State said:
The Mad Monk said:
Police State said:
Cold said:
Annd they're back. In London anyway. A fifteen month extension on their licence after a judge agreed that they've got their st together.

Fit and proper
Establishment looking after their own again. What's new?

Even the Irish government kicked them out.
Could you specific what your objection to Uber is?
The worse kind of rapacious corporation I can think of, that cares nothing about the rule of law until hit hits their profit line.

I don't want to live in an uber kind of world.
You prefer a world where a tax dodging black cab driver can pick and choose his fares and earn £100k plus for driving a car around London? Heh
I don't want to (to busy) and can't be bothered getting into an argument with pap assertions like the laughable codswallop you are spouting.


johnfm

13,668 posts

251 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Police State said:
I don't want to (to busy) and can't be bothered getting into an argument with pap assertions like the laughable codswallop you are spouting.
I expect you're too busy leading the debates at the Oxford Union.

vikingaero

10,490 posts

170 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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johnfm said:
Police State said:
The Mad Monk said:
Police State said:
Cold said:
Annd they're back. In London anyway. A fifteen month extension on their licence after a judge agreed that they've got their st together.

Fit and proper
Establishment looking after their own again. What's new?

Even the Irish government kicked them out.
Could you specific what your objection to Uber is?
The worse kind of rapacious corporation I can think of, that cares nothing about the rule of law until hit hits their profit line.

I don't want to live in an uber kind of world.
You prefer a world where a tax dodging black cab driver can pick and choose his fares and earn £100k plus for driving a car around London? Heh
You'll find that cash isn't king for black cab drivers. Card payments now rule.

Uber is a chavscum organisation that has only changed or are pretending to change because of the threat of being banned. Of course the netcitizens of today call their expansion innovative. Their culture is rotten to the core and by association so are their users.

Police State

4,068 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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johnfm said:
Police State said:
I don't want to (to busy) and can't be bothered getting into an argument with pap assertions like the laughable codswallop you are spouting.
I expect you're too busy leading the debates at the Oxford Union.
nope, just busy avoiding clowns like you. what you asserted is telling, and it tells me I don't need to 'debate' tax avoiding by companies on an industrial scale such as uber, with the likes of you.

I'm done. (really)

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Lots of people upset at how Uber operates, how much tax they pay, what sort of contracts their employees have, and suchlike.

Very little of which is of any concern whatsoever to the man in the street, who just wants to get from A to B in as convenient and 'modern' fashion as possible.

Even if you hate Uber, you should be thankful for them as they have given Black Cabs and private hire the absolutely massive kick up the arse they desperately needed for years, and that's got to be good for everyone.

spikeyhead

17,398 posts

198 months

Tuesday 26th June 2018
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Lord Marylebone said:
Even if you hate Uber, you should be thankful for them as they have given Black Cabs and private hire the absolutely massive kick up the arse they desperately needed for years, and that's got to be good for everyone.
I've lived in a few English towns, and some are great for cabs, and some are really crap. In my home town of Luton I'd get annoyed if a minicab took more than three minutes to arrive after calling one. In Basingstoke you'd be lucky to get a can within an hour, and somewhat worse during busy periods.

The Mad Monk

10,491 posts

118 months

Thursday 28th June 2018
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Police State said:
The worse kind of rapacious corporation I can think of, that cares nothing about the rule of law until hit hits their profit line.

I don't want to live in an uber kind of world.
Would you agree that the Uber type system is the future. me going around London on mopeds for a couple of years in order to learn The Knowledge is incredibly inefficient.

The app based system makes sense,

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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The All Parliamentary Group on Responsible Tax recently released a report "Building a fairer system: Tax and the UK's gig economy"

https://www.appgresponsibletax.org.uk/wp-content/u...

As well as giving a very basic overview of some of the ways in which it claims the UK is missing out on some tax revenues, it does specifically mention Uber & VAT



As mentioned in the report Maugham (the QC so vigorously pursuing Uber re VAT), was a member of the panel giving evidence to the Group in the session on which this report is partly based

The Mad Monk

10,491 posts

118 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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JPJPJP said:
The All Parliamentary Group on Responsible Tax recently released a report "Building a fairer system: Tax and the UK's gig economy"

https://www.appgresponsibletax.org.uk/wp-content/u...

As well as giving a very basic overview of some of the ways in which it claims the UK is missing out on some tax revenues, it does specifically mention Uber & VAT



As mentioned in the report Maugham (the QC so vigorously pursuing Uber re VAT), was a member of the panel giving evidence to the Group in the session on which this report is partly based
You are getting some serious mileage from this bone, aren't you?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Yes, but the beginning of the end of the 'speculation' phase is drawing near now

The initial encounter of Maugham's case with the FTT (Tax) is on 11 July...

I think it will be possible to judge from that if this is a dead horse, or one that might do something exciting with just the gentlest flogging

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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The expected day at the Tribunal (today) is cancelled

As Maugham tweets in a series of tweets this morning

https://twitter.com/GoodLawProject/status/10169143...



The Zipvit case Court of Appeal Judgment is here (https://www.pumptax.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Zipvit-v-HMRC-final-approved-29-6-18.pdf)

Para 1. shows why the case is relelvant



I am no expert in such matters, but I simply see this as a way of further delaying the point in time at which a court (now looking to be the HC) considers the question: Should Uber fares have been subject to VAT?

To have that question answered is Maugham's intent.

IMO Uber is clearly (and rightly from it's perspective) working hard to delay / avoid that question being considered. The use of a case such as Zipvit to achieve that is no surprise

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 11th July 08:03

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Uber is in court today appealing the employment tribunal finding that drivers should be treated as workers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46018104

Ewan McGaughery is tweeting (his bias is obvious, but that aside) as it unfolds

https://twitter.com/ewanmcg/status/105722574728114...

skwdenyer

16,656 posts

241 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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johnfm said:
You prefer a world where a tax dodging black cab driver can pick and choose his fares and earn £100k plus for driving a car around London? Heh
Having been using a lot of cabs in London recently, I’ve realised that black cabs are seldom much cheaper than Uber. They’re also more available, and more reliable on time.

Most people believe the opposite - well done Uber marketing smile