Van drives into crowd in Barcelona

[steveL98]

As I've said before, this needs to be self policing..

Identify all known relatives, neighbours and associates of the criminals and if it transpires that they knew about these people and what they could potentially be capable of, then arrest, jail or deport them as they would be equally guilty and this would include seizing all their assets too.

That guy who killed Jo Cox must have been known to someone regarding his views etc, and if they did and didn't shop him then they are just as guilty and I bet they know that..

Its our civic duty to protect each other any way we can..

[KTF]

Cold said:

Several more suspects have been shot in the port of Cambrils as police say they have stopped a second attack. Cambrils is a short drive along the coast from Barcelona.

BBC link

I dont know why they would pick that as most people would not even know where it is. Its just a small town with a fishing port and a beach.

[greygoose]

vkcs22 said:

Definitely agree with Trump, terrorists should be shot with bullets dipped in pigs blood! And they shouldn't be buried.

Won't that slow the police response times down, having to unload their guns, dip each bullet in a bucket of blood they will have to carry round with them and then reload and fire?

[Boydie88]

OpulentBob said:

The irony is strong, unless I'm due a parrot.

You no doubt think that the Muslim religion, 72 virgins etc is bunkum.

Yet you want to carry out some hokey-cokey on the bullets, and then leave their bodies above ground to rot - which is pretty much what would happen - albeit on a different timescale - if they were buried?

Not to mention, how much pigs blood would stay on the bullet after it had been accelerated from zero-to-bullet in 0.00001 seconds?

Lunatics on all sides.

It's not about what we and science believe, it's about what they believe. It's their twisted ideologies driving them. They can't be reasoned with.

[Gary29]

Desperately sad, condolences to all the families affected.

But I'm not surprised by the attack, nor by the bickering on this thread as a result, humans doing what humans seem to like doing best.

[Jonesy23]

KTF said:

I dont know why they would pick that as most people would not even know where it is. Its just a small town with a fishing port and a beach.

I guess they assumed it would be a soft target.

[Boydie88]

KTF said:

Cold said:

Several more suspects have been shot in the port of Cambrils as police say they have stopped a second attack. Cambrils is a short drive along the coast from Barcelona.

BBC link

I dont know why they would pick that as most people would not even know where it is. Its just a small town with a fishing port and a beach.

Perhaps hoping for lower Police presence? Especially on the back of Barcelona, could well have expected most in the area will have been called into Barcelona?

[Stickyfinger]

Gary29 said:

Desperately sad, condolences to all the families affected.

But I'm not surprised by the attack, nor by the bickering on this thread as a result, humans doing what humans seem to like doing best.

Bickering....or discussion of a subject that is sadly repeating itself constantly

[Transmitter Man]

Jonesy23 said:

Not sure you'll ever find one of these - we're talking politicians here! Even the purest would only ever give their version of the truth.

Farage, most of the time.

[KTF]

We were near Salou last year on holiday and there was a strong Police presence in all of the resorts along that bit of coast.

They seem quite switched on that they may be areas to target as there are several broadwalk type areas that would be easy for someone to drive down.

[Wobbegong]

KTF said:

I dont know why they would pick that as most people would not even know where it is. Its just a small town with a fishing port and a beach.

Everyone expects an attack on a major city/town. Attacking a smaller town/village is unexpected and spreads the fear.

Shows how fking useless they are that they fked that up.

[Lance Catamaran]

Wobbegong said:

KTF said:

I dont know why they would pick that as most people would not even know where it is. Its just a small town with a fishing port and a beach.

Everyone expects an attack on a major city/town. Attacking a smaller town/village is unexpected and spreads the fear.

Shows how fking useless they are that they fked that up.

I've always been surprised, albeit relieved, that terrorists don't do it more often. Attacking capitals and landmarks may be symbolic, but for me an attack of this nature in some sleepy market town without an armed officer for miles is a scarier concept.

[SeeFive]

I find it strange that these terrorists are still allowed to be viewed as Muslims given the Muslim folks I have encountered in my life bear no resemblance to them.

Let's face it, they commit atrocities, Imams and moderate muslims publicly denounce them, the terrorists publicly denounce Imams and issue death threats on them, and zero happens, they keep on unabated and associating their world domination aspirations with faith. Surely denouncing the top people and appointed leaders of a faith is cause for action within the faith?

Is there not a method to properly and insultingly ex-communicate certain individuals in the Islamic faith issued by the very top scholars? Perhaps then the rightly scared moderate Muslims could be free from fear in the afterlife (etc) to join focus on the problem, rather than have the non-Muslims generalise that "all muslims are bad" as is frequently intimated or stated by people with a true desire to put an end to this due to (in their view) having the mass quietly seemingly supporting the atrocities.

[toasty]

OpulentBob said:

vkcs22 said:

Definitely agree with Trump, terrorists should be shot with bullets dipped in pigs blood! And they shouldn't be buried.

The irony is strong, unless I'm due a parrot.

You no doubt think that the Muslim religion, 72 virgins etc is bunkum.

Yet you want to carry out some hokey-cokey on the bullets, and then leave their bodies above ground to rot - which is pretty much what would happen - albeit on a different timescale - if they were buried?

Not to mention, how much pigs blood would stay on the bullet after it had been accelerated from zero-to-bullet in 0.00001 seconds?

Lunatics on all sides.

I think he has a point albeit a bit unrealistic with the blood.

A deterrent is required. From what little I understand, the perpetrators are promised enhanced status in the afterlife but this would not happen if the remains were not buried properly in the correct tradition.

If there was an international treaty to prevent the tradition from happening to the remains of terrorists so the enhanced afterlife would not be granted, then maybe they would be dissuaded from chasing martyrdom in the first place.

Maybe I'm just being naive.

[catso]

SeeFive said:

Perhaps then the rightly scared moderate Muslims could be free from fear in the afterlife (etc) to join focus on the problem

Isn't this belief part of the problem?...

[SeeFive]

catso said:

SeeFive said:

Perhaps then the rightly scared moderate Muslims could be free from fear in the afterlife (etc) to join focus on the problem

Isn't this belief part of the problem?...

Yes indeed. So if these people are viewed by the top scholars and leaders as no longer part of the Muslim faith, then the others can follow their lead in safety... IYSWIM.

[Boydie88]

SeeFive said:

I find it strange that these terrorists are still allowed to be viewed as Muslims given the Muslim folks I have encountered in my life bear no resemblance to them.

Let's face it, they commit atrocities, Imams and moderate muslims publicly denounce them, the terrorists publicly denounce Imams and issue death threats on them, and zero happens, they keep on unabated and associating their world domination aspirations with faith. Surely denouncing the top people and appointed leaders of a faith is cause for action within the faith?

Is there not a method to properly and insultingly ex-communicate certain individuals in the Islamic faith issued by the very top scholars? Perhaps then the rightly scared moderate Muslims could be free from fear in the afterlife (etc) to join focus on the problem, rather than have the non-Muslims generalise that "all muslims are bad" as is frequently intimated or stated by people with a true desire to put an end to this due to (in their view) having the mass quietly seemingly supporting the atrocities.

No sane, even half intelligent, mind thinks ALL Muslims are bad. But to call these extremists non Muslims is wrong. They consider themselves Muslims. They don't care what you or even moderate Muslims think. They believe their understanding of Islam to be the correct one. In their beliefs, even Muslims are legitimate targets if they don't share the stricter understanding they have. This is exactly why Imams etc denouncing them does fk all. To the extremists, Imam's of the Western world denouncing them is the same as any other religion/non religion denouncing them.

To call them non Muslims because they are different to Muslims you and I know is wrong.

[andy_s]

SeeFive said:

I find it strange that these terrorists are still allowed to be viewed as Muslims given the Muslim folks I have encountered in my life bear no resemblance to them.

Let's face it, they commit atrocities, Imams and moderate muslims publicly denounce them, the terrorists publicly denounce Imams and issue death threats on them, and zero happens, they keep on unabated and associating their world domination aspirations with faith. Surely denouncing the top people and appointed leaders of a faith is cause for action within the faith?

Is there not a method to properly and insultingly ex-communicate certain individuals in the Islamic faith issued by the very top scholars? Perhaps then the rightly scared moderate Muslims could be free from fear in the afterlife (etc) to join focus on the problem, rather than have the non-Muslims generalise that "all muslims are bad" as is frequently intimated or stated by people with a true desire to put an end to this due to (in their view) having the mass quietly seemingly supporting the atrocities.

Muslim is like Christian, it's formed of disparate branches, it'd be like the Pope excommunicating a CoE member.

Like a lot of things, the people concerned listen only to what's a positive reinforcement of their own views, for them it's the right thing to do and their ideological leaders support that.
A moderate senior Imam would have no impact directly, but may through percolation bring onside potential informers or other help from the wider Muslim community.

[SeeFive]

Boydie88 said:

No sane, even half intelligent, mind thinks ALL Muslims are bad. But to call these extremists non Muslims is wrong. They consider themselves Muslims. They don't care what you or even moderate Muslims think. They believe their understanding of Islam to be the correct one. In their beliefs, even Muslims are legitimate targets if they don't share the stricter understanding they have. This is exactly why Imams etc denouncing them does fk all. To the extremists, Imam's of the Western world denouncing them is the same as any other religion/non religion denouncing them.

To call them non Muslims because they are different to Muslims you and I know is wrong.

So if the scholars can tell everyone they are wrong, then the masses have carte blanche to act against them? Not in my name confirmed from the top sort of thing...

[SeeFive]

andy_s said:

Muslim is like Christian, it's formed of disparate branches, it'd be like the Pope excommunicating a CoE member.

Like a lot of things, the people concerned listen only to what's a positive reinforcement of their own views, for them it's the right thing to do and their ideological leaders support that.
A moderate senior Imam would have no impact directly, but may through percolation bring onside potential informers or other help from the wider Muslim community.

The problem I am trying to suggest they address formally and jointly from the top.