another abuse gang
Discussion
deltaevo16 said:
What became apparant after the 3 Girls film on the BBC, during the follow up programme it was stated that the Council and Social services kept it under the radar. Fearing that it would give ammunition to the BNP who were contesting council elections at the time. The cover up included all the agencies that should have/ could have stopped this several years before. We really need an independant body to oversee these matters, as clearly the Police, Social services and local Councils cannot be trusted anymore.
Lessons will be learnt my arse, time and time again we see a failure, by the agencies that are meant to protect the vulnerable, end up protecting the perpetrators.
Have any of the council / social workers / police actually committed a crime in their failure to do anything ?Lessons will be learnt my arse, time and time again we see a failure, by the agencies that are meant to protect the vulnerable, end up protecting the perpetrators.
The story of the 14 year old girl who was found in a flat with 5 men, and the police arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly is atrocious.
I appreciate being incompetent at your job is not a crime but the way the authorities left these girls to be abused and in some instances killed is almost as shocking than the abuse itself.
del mar said:
Have any of the council / social workers / police actually committed a crime in their failure to do anything ?
The story of the 14 year old girl who was found in a flat with 5 men, and the police arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly is atrocious.
I appreciate being incompetent at your job is not a crime but the way the authorities left these girls to be abused and in some instances killed is almost as shocking than the abuse itself.
"Lessons have been learned,blah,blah,blah"The story of the 14 year old girl who was found in a flat with 5 men, and the police arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly is atrocious.
I appreciate being incompetent at your job is not a crime but the way the authorities left these girls to be abused and in some instances killed is almost as shocking than the abuse itself.
Funkycoldribena said:
Alpinestars said:
That's the problem with blanket descriptions.
British - a Brit would say "not in my name"
Pakistani - a Pakistani would say "not in my name"
Muslim - a Muslim would say "not in my name"
They don't represent any of those people, but the fact is they are mainly British, Pakistani Muslims.
But if there was a British bunch in say, Thailand doing this surely they'd be labelled British grooming gang by the news?British - a Brit would say "not in my name"
Pakistani - a Pakistani would say "not in my name"
Muslim - a Muslim would say "not in my name"
They don't represent any of those people, but the fact is they are mainly British, Pakistani Muslims.
We're talking about a British bunch here as well. And demonstrably, they are being disowned by Brits.
Failure will always be an orphan.
Funkycoldribena said:
del mar said:
Have any of the council / social workers / police actually committed a crime in their failure to do anything ?
The story of the 14 year old girl who was found in a flat with 5 men, and the police arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly is atrocious.
I appreciate being incompetent at your job is not a crime but the way the authorities left these girls to be abused and in some instances killed is almost as shocking than the abuse itself.
"Lessons have been learned,blah,blah,blah"The story of the 14 year old girl who was found in a flat with 5 men, and the police arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly is atrocious.
I appreciate being incompetent at your job is not a crime but the way the authorities left these girls to be abused and in some instances killed is almost as shocking than the abuse itself.
It is clear that the state has to take a lot of the blame, the police, social services, councils are all seemingly complicit in covering these horror stories up. It is also pretty clear that these young girls were willingly sacrificed by the state in the name of cultural cohesion, which I find utterly sickening. They would rather arrest a desperate father of one of these children that deal with the issue.
If this is the true state of the UK and the people in power, including some of the MSM, we truly are f
ked. They knew about this latest case for forty years, how can we all be OK with this, no matter what colour/creed/faith we are?People get arrested for mean tweets, yet wholesale rape of very young white girls is given a wide berth. This is so depressing.
Alpinestars said:
That's the problem with blanket descriptions.
British - a Brit would say "not in my name"
Pakistani - a Pakistani would say "not in my name"
Muslim - a Muslim would say "not in my name"
They don't represent any of those people, but the fact is they are mainly British, Pakistani Muslims.
Do you believe that Pakistani Muslims outside of Britain (e.g. those in Pakistan) are not involved in high level of child abuse? Does this really only start happening once they have moved to Britain? Wake up.British - a Brit would say "not in my name"
Pakistani - a Pakistani would say "not in my name"
Muslim - a Muslim would say "not in my name"
They don't represent any of those people, but the fact is they are mainly British, Pakistani Muslims.
del mar said:
deltaevo16 said:
What became apparant after the 3 Girls film on the BBC, during the follow up programme it was stated that the Council and Social services kept it under the radar. Fearing that it would give ammunition to the BNP who were contesting council elections at the time. The cover up included all the agencies that should have/ could have stopped this several years before. We really need an independant body to oversee these matters, as clearly the Police, Social services and local Councils cannot be trusted anymore.
Lessons will be learnt my arse, time and time again we see a failure, by the agencies that are meant to protect the vulnerable, end up protecting the perpetrators.
Have any of the council / social workers / police actually committed a crime in their failure to do anything ?Lessons will be learnt my arse, time and time again we see a failure, by the agencies that are meant to protect the vulnerable, end up protecting the perpetrators.
The story of the 14 year old girl who was found in a flat with 5 men, and the police arrested the girl for being drunk and disorderly is atrocious.
I appreciate being incompetent at your job is not a crime but the way the authorities left these girls to be abused and in some instances killed is almost as shocking than the abuse itself.
chris watton said:
I must admit, a couple of weeks ago I knew little about this, especially individual details. Since the detaining and subsequent banning of those three right wing activist/journalists, and then the Count Dankula debacle, I have looked a little further into this, which led me to quite a few videos from Tommy Robinson. I usually subscribe to stuff like PC, movie and gaming sites, keep fit stuff etc. So what I have watched and listened to is quite an eye opener. I did do my best to search any left leaning sites that cover this, but they seem to be pretty thin on the ground - there are loads about 'Me Too' and female equality, but nothing about school children, females, being raped and murdered in the UK almost on an industrial scale, not a Third World cess pit, the UK!
It is clear that the state has to take a lot of the blame, the police, social services, councils are all seemingly complicit in covering these horror stories up. It is also pretty clear that these young girls were willingly sacrificed by the state in the name of cultural cohesion, which I find utterly sickening. They would rather arrest a desperate father of one of these children that deal with the issue.
If this is the true state of the UK and the people in power, including some of the MSM, we truly are fked. They knew about this latest case for forty years, how can we all be OK with this, no matter what colour/creed/faith we are?
People get arrested for mean tweets, yet wholesale rape of very young white girls is given a wide berth. This is so depressing.
And there lies the problem.It is clear that the state has to take a lot of the blame, the police, social services, councils are all seemingly complicit in covering these horror stories up. It is also pretty clear that these young girls were willingly sacrificed by the state in the name of cultural cohesion, which I find utterly sickening. They would rather arrest a desperate father of one of these children that deal with the issue.
If this is the true state of the UK and the people in power, including some of the MSM, we truly are f
ked. They knew about this latest case for forty years, how can we all be OK with this, no matter what colour/creed/faith we are?People get arrested for mean tweets, yet wholesale rape of very young white girls is given a wide berth. This is so depressing.
Most people are have no clue what is going on.
But they will know about eastenders/emmerdale/corrie etcetc.
The BNP and the EDL have been screaming about this for years and have just been shouted down.
Just because tommy robinson is a convicted criminal, does that mean he is wrong in what he says?
What about former drug addicts who have got clean and now help other addicts?
What about former gang members who now help young people from getting into gang life?
All these abuse gangs are a disgrace and got away with it because of who they are, it is a utter disgrace, and yet if you say anything your a racist.
I look at it this way.
It happened over many years here in OXFORD. Oxford, of all places, home of the dreaming spires!
So, take it from me, if it can happen here then it can happen anywhere - especially when those in positions of power who oversaw it all, don't lose their jobs, it stinks to high heaven - in fact, some here, like the CC of TVP at the time refused to resign, she basically just said 'sorry' then goes on to become Chair of the National Police Chiefs' Council. You couldn't make it up.
No staff - none, not one - were ever disciplined, even though they all (as it was said at the time) 'made many mistakes and missed opportunities to stop the abuse'.
The CE of the county council also refused all calls to resign - who wouldn't on such a nice littler earner in her £250,000-per-year post.
They all knew what was going on, so just two words suffice. Cover up.
I could go on, but it just makes me sick to the stomach. And people talk about the 'bad old days'. That's because they weren't there!
It happened over many years here in OXFORD. Oxford, of all places, home of the dreaming spires!
So, take it from me, if it can happen here then it can happen anywhere - especially when those in positions of power who oversaw it all, don't lose their jobs, it stinks to high heaven - in fact, some here, like the CC of TVP at the time refused to resign, she basically just said 'sorry' then goes on to become Chair of the National Police Chiefs' Council. You couldn't make it up.
No staff - none, not one - were ever disciplined, even though they all (as it was said at the time) 'made many mistakes and missed opportunities to stop the abuse'.
The CE of the county council also refused all calls to resign - who wouldn't on such a nice littler earner in her £250,000-per-year post.
They all knew what was going on, so just two words suffice. Cover up.
I could go on, but it just makes me sick to the stomach. And people talk about the 'bad old days'. That's because they weren't there!
For me it makes no difference as to who has commited these acts, what bothers me most is that Politicians think they need to cover it up. Who will really stand up for those that have been abused?
Those that have been found complicit, or turning a blind eye, should be punished. It would seem that people whistle blow are the ones that lose their job, or made to resign.
Maggie Oliver resigns from GMP
"I felt it was wicked. If I can’t look myself in the mirror and feel proud of what I’m doing then it makes me as bad as them. So I had to make a stand for what I believed was right.
“And don’t believe any of this rubbish that police have learned from their mistakes. I worked on an almost identical operation in 2004, Operation Augusta, which had identified dozens of young victims and dozens of suspects. It was a virtual carbon copy of Rochdale, men of largely Pakistani heritage were abusing vulnerable white girls, in Hulme and around the Curry Mile in Rusholme. I was on that job for a year and a half. It was a huge investigation.
"My husband Norman became ill and sadly passed away. I had to take time off and by the time I came back three months later the job had literally died a death. I was totally incredulous. It just didn’t make sense. It was as if it had never happened. The girls had told me what had happened. I’d gained their trust. I’d given them my word that GMP would take their allegations forward and that they should trust us.
"We’d found locations where the abuse had happened, vehicles used to transport the victims and had identified many serial sex offenders. We also had social workers telling us they’d been trying to get the police to take this problem seriously for years. But not one offender was arrested or charged. I couldn’t believe it. It was as if none of it had ever happened.
This kind of sums it up for me, the huge scale of denial, how do we ever overcome it?
Those that have been found complicit, or turning a blind eye, should be punished. It would seem that people whistle blow are the ones that lose their job, or made to resign.
Maggie Oliver resigns from GMP
"I felt it was wicked. If I can’t look myself in the mirror and feel proud of what I’m doing then it makes me as bad as them. So I had to make a stand for what I believed was right.
“And don’t believe any of this rubbish that police have learned from their mistakes. I worked on an almost identical operation in 2004, Operation Augusta, which had identified dozens of young victims and dozens of suspects. It was a virtual carbon copy of Rochdale, men of largely Pakistani heritage were abusing vulnerable white girls, in Hulme and around the Curry Mile in Rusholme. I was on that job for a year and a half. It was a huge investigation.
"My husband Norman became ill and sadly passed away. I had to take time off and by the time I came back three months later the job had literally died a death. I was totally incredulous. It just didn’t make sense. It was as if it had never happened. The girls had told me what had happened. I’d gained their trust. I’d given them my word that GMP would take their allegations forward and that they should trust us.
"We’d found locations where the abuse had happened, vehicles used to transport the victims and had identified many serial sex offenders. We also had social workers telling us they’d been trying to get the police to take this problem seriously for years. But not one offender was arrested or charged. I couldn’t believe it. It was as if none of it had ever happened.
This kind of sums it up for me, the huge scale of denial, how do we ever overcome it?
Funkycoldribena said:
V8 Fettler said:
Not so, "neglect of duty by public office holders which results in serious consequences, or a risk of serious consequences arising" = misconduct in public office.
In other words,sent off with a whopping payout/pension.this was later overturned on appeal but being locked is a possibility.
voyds9 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
V8 Fettler said:
Not so, "neglect of duty by public office holders which results in serious consequences, or a risk of serious consequences arising" = misconduct in public office.
In other words,sent off with a whopping payout/pension.this was later overturned on appeal but being locked is a possibility.
dandarez said:
I look at it this way.
It happened over many years here in OXFORD. Oxford, of all places, home of the dreaming spires!
So, take it from me, if it can happen here then it can happen anywhere - especially when those in positions of power who oversaw it all, don't lose their jobs, it stinks to high heaven - in fact, some here, like the CC of TVP at the time refused to resign, she basically just said 'sorry' then goes on to become Chair of the National Police Chiefs' Council. You couldn't make it up.
No staff - none, not one - were ever disciplined, even though they all (as it was said at the time) 'made many mistakes and missed opportunities to stop the abuse'.
The CE of the county council also refused all calls to resign - who wouldn't on such a nice littler earner in her £250,000-per-year post.
They all knew what was going on, so just two words suffice. Cover up.
I could go on, but it just makes me sick to the stomach. And people talk about the 'bad old days'. That's because they weren't there!
^This.It happened over many years here in OXFORD. Oxford, of all places, home of the dreaming spires!
So, take it from me, if it can happen here then it can happen anywhere - especially when those in positions of power who oversaw it all, don't lose their jobs, it stinks to high heaven - in fact, some here, like the CC of TVP at the time refused to resign, she basically just said 'sorry' then goes on to become Chair of the National Police Chiefs' Council. You couldn't make it up.
No staff - none, not one - were ever disciplined, even though they all (as it was said at the time) 'made many mistakes and missed opportunities to stop the abuse'.
The CE of the county council also refused all calls to resign - who wouldn't on such a nice littler earner in her £250,000-per-year post.
They all knew what was going on, so just two words suffice. Cover up.
I could go on, but it just makes me sick to the stomach. And people talk about the 'bad old days'. That's because they weren't there!
And in the broader picture, we do actually need to consider it alongside other abuse, like Catholic priests and the cases investigated by operation Yewtree. There is no doubt that not only there has been a widespread and abject lack of concern over sexual abuse by the establishment, but the establishment itself has been complicit in many cases too.
Alpinestars said:
ReverendCounter said:
rambo19 said:
All these abuse gangs are a disgrace and got away with it because of who they are, it is a utter disgrace, and yet if you say anything your a racist.
Edited by odie.mod on Thursday 22 March 09:11
WinstonWolf said:
Alpinestars said:
ReverendCounter said:
rambo19 said:
All these abuse gangs are a disgrace and got away with it because of who they are, it is a utter disgrace, and yet if you say anything your a racist.
Edited by odie.mod on Thursday 22 March 09:11
Alpinestars said:
I know we can disagree and have a laugh occasionally, but this is really offensive.
I like to think you and I are on opposite sides of the fence so to speak, but at lease we don't take it *too* personally. My comments aren't about you personally, they're about the principal of deflecting from the truth. I find what happened with these gangs really offensive, it completely offends my British sense of fair play. We're very tolerant, some people take advantage of this.
Political correctness shoulders the brunt of the blame IMO, when a problem such as this surfaces it's become fashionable to scream racist to shut down the debate, it's become the stock get out of jail free card. That is plainly wrong.
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