Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
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From other thread where the EU seems to 'insist' it reduces its deficit (from a mighty 2.4%) or get slapped with a fine...
https://news.sky.com/story/italys-budget-rejected-...
But obviously our minor issue of (current) 7.9% GDP is nae bother, fine big man! Happy days!
gofasterrosssco said:
Thanks for that link - I've read that and a few other articles by him now and he comes across as very balanced - ie I might not agree with him on everything but he does make a good point Willy Nilly said:
Is the equal pay thing in Scotland that's in the news today in any way the fault of the Tories, the English or Westminster and would it be better in an independent Scotland?
Nope. Entirely the fault of an inept SNP local administration who thought they were doing a good thing employing an independent body to 'job size' all the public sector paid council workers in Glasgow thinking it would give them an opportunity to hold back salary increases for certain workers to bring them in line with others in equivalent jobs.What the independent body uncovered was that they'd been underpaying their (mostly female) staff under their own rules. If they'd let sleeping dogs lie it would never have come to light, but their own evidence was used against them by their employees who won an equal pay and opportunities tribunal. This was settled legally several months ago and the council have been prevaricating and procrastinating ever since to avoid the inevitable settlement. The industrial action was intended to raise awareness - which it has!
I was hearing today that part of the reason Mike Ashley rescued House of Fraser was because Glasgow City Council agreed to sell him the building that houses their flagship store in Buchanan Street for a song because they are desperately trying to raise the cash to pay the backlog of wages owed to their own employees.
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 23 October 23:40
NHS Scotland financially untenable....
"Scotland's NHS is not financially sustainable and SNP ministers and health boards must move away from "short-term fire-fighting", a damning official audit has warned.
Audit Scotland said boards are facing a funding black hole of more than £130 million this year and are increasingly relying on Scottish Government loans and one-off savings to make ends meet"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/sc...
I can see audit Scotland having their wings (pun fully intended) clipped if they keep this "bad" news up...
"Scotland's NHS is not financially sustainable and SNP ministers and health boards must move away from "short-term fire-fighting", a damning official audit has warned.
Audit Scotland said boards are facing a funding black hole of more than £130 million this year and are increasingly relying on Scottish Government loans and one-off savings to make ends meet"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/sc...
I can see audit Scotland having their wings (pun fully intended) clipped if they keep this "bad" news up...
Good to see the sturg wading in on the important issues. A trophy hunter shot a goat and posed for a picture, big deal, its allowed, its not illegal.
dont know why she needs to review the current laws? what does she propose- wipe out all private shooting estates/ fishing beats in the highlands and wipe out a whole industry.......
malks222 said:
dont know why she needs to review the current laws? what does she propose- wipe out all private shooting estates/ fishing beats in the highlands and wipe out a whole industry.......
and allow uncontrolled breeding of some species - there's a reason its legal to shoot them.malks222 said:
Good to see the sturg wading in on the important issues.
Fortunately she's not allowed to do anything important, so she focuses on thinking up new ways to kick the indy can down the road and knee jerk pish like this.To be fair though, she's at least consistent about allowing feral animals the right to roam the land. Take a wander in her constituency and it's a wonder there's not some Yank with a gun hiding at every corner...
The Dangerous Elk said:
That will go back...it is a tagged fish.
why's it out the water then?"While ‘catch and release’ has long been the ethos for shark anglers, new research is revealing concerning rates of post-release mortality for a number of species. This is due to internal and external injuries, as well as physiological stress which can occur when a shark, skate or ray is played, handled and released."
https://www.ssacn.org/small-shark-handling-guide/
Nanook said:
Edinburger said:
Jeez. Do you actually go to games? I don't want to deviate from the topic, but your post is right up there with the biggest bulls
t posts in this long running thread.
I was at the last Hibs v Rangers game (the 5-5 one) and trust me there was no end of sectarian hatred being sung by the majority of the away support. We booed the tripe, as always, to drown it out. Mr Lennon was targeted. Usual knuckle-dragging from The Rangers support. Embarrassing.
And that behaviour my friend, is one aspect of Scottish culture which our friends across the border will probably never understand. Supporters of Glaswegian clubs singing about battles over 300 years ago.
But you know, facts and st. 
I wasn't at that game.t posts in this long running thread.I was at the last Hibs v Rangers game (the 5-5 one) and trust me there was no end of sectarian hatred being sung by the majority of the away support. We booed the tripe, as always, to drown it out. Mr Lennon was targeted. Usual knuckle-dragging from The Rangers support. Embarrassing.
And that behaviour my friend, is one aspect of Scottish culture which our friends across the border will probably never understand. Supporters of Glaswegian clubs singing about battles over 300 years ago.
But you know, facts and s
t. I do remember watching on the TV though, when the Hibs fans invaded the pitch after they beat Rangers.
Don't try and kid that any team has better supporters than anyone else. There's a minority of
s in the support of any and every team in the country. This thread is for politics though, if you want to chat s
t about football, ps off to the football thread.Horrible thing. And very worthy of discussion in this thread.
technodup said:
Edinburger said:
But you know, facts and st.
Roll your eyes all you like. I posted evidence of the singing section at Ibrox clearly refraining from the 'offensive' bit of the song.t. Nobody's saying all fans are perfect angels, but which club's are?
The knuckle-draggers who visited Easter Road must have missed that memo.
Half the problem is the Old Firm fans who think it’s moral and acceptable and pretend it doesn’t happen. Singing about battles over 300 years ago. Hating people who they think go to a different church. Absolutely pathetic.
AstonZagato said:
This.
It was clearly a rant against ALL religious bigotry in whatever direction but Burger seemingly chose to interpret it as an anti-Catholic rant. Odd.
No I didn’t! I despise religious bigotry. I’m not catholic, I’m not religious in the slightest. The morons who sing these songs aren’t either. I just don’t want my kids growing up with all this crap.It was clearly a rant against ALL religious bigotry in whatever direction but Burger seemingly chose to interpret it as an anti-Catholic rant. Odd.
In some ways, Glaswegians have a bigger issue than some parts of Northern Ireland.
Kccv23highliftcam said:
No you are desperately trying to steer the thread away from discussing the totalitarian heading the SG is embarked upon..
You’re joking, right?You lot will never discuss this issue properly. You even deny it’s a ‘thing’. Really, really sad.
r11co said:
It's an argument no-one will ever win and one that shouldn't be aired in this thread, if only for pragmatic reasons.
That depends on what you think the argument is.The argument: the Old Firm have a problem with sectarian hatred which is damaging Scottish society both within and outwith football is easily won.
Nanook said:
Edinburger said:
I’m not trying to suggest any team has better supporters than another team. However, Old Firm supporters carry a lot of sectarian hatred against each other and alsonsome other teams. This is a problem in West of Scotland society (mainly) which goes much further than just at football games. But you know that. Sectarian hatred is a big problem. The authorities can’t control it, the police ignore it, and we as a society are blighted by it.
Horrible thing. And very worthy of discussion in this thread.
See, you say you're not trying to suggest that any team has better supporters than any other.Horrible thing. And very worthy of discussion in this thread.
But it's clear that is what you're saying. You're glossing over the antics of your favourite teams fans, whilst referring to others as knuckle-draggers, and talking about how bad the old firm are.
So which is it? Are some better than others? Or not?
The "antics" were Hibs fans on the pitch displaying exuberance and celebrating Hibs winning the Scotish Cup after a well publicised wait.
A pitch invasion can't be justified. Never. However, if you watch the footage you can understand what caused that.
The problems started when the Rangers fans invaded the pitch and goaded the Hibs fans.
Quesion - why did Rangers fans invade the pitch? Was it because they couldn't stand seeing fans of a club with Irish catholic roots celebrating?
And both sets of fans were guilty of isloated violence.
You cannot compare that one-off event with decades of violence, murders, hatred and division thanks to the Old Firm. That's the problem we're discussing.
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