Boris Johnson- Prime Minister
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jsf said:
frisbee said:
Nope, by the democratic powers of Brexit, if BJ says they export pork pies then they surely must export pork pies.
Its already been debunked, Boris was correct on this. The "expert" was wrong. 
Edited by jsf on Monday 26th August 12:50
chrispmartha said:
jsf said:
Anyway, Will the EU protected status of Melton Mowbray pork pie disappear with a no deal?ClaphamGT3 said:
Blue62 is correct. He just about kept the wheels on the wagon at City Hall because Ed Lister was a very good Chief of staff and his deputy mayoral team were for the most part pretty strong - certainly Isobel Deterling and Rick Blakeway who I dealt with most. They spent a lot of time being pretty exasperated by Johnson
A good leader surrounds themselves with people who are good at what they are bad at - it’s a fundamental principle that decent leaders recognise. Not saying I’m any good at it, but my leadership team is stuffed full of detail people - accountants, lawyers and the like because I know I am crap at that stuff. If I filled the team with people like me, we’d have some really cool whiteboards with plans on them and be bankrupt, probably in prison. However, if the team was solely comprised of detail people, we’d have no plan at all, no vision, and we’d become irrelevant in a few years.chrispmartha said:
jsf said:
Anyway, Will the EU protected status of Melton Mowbray pork pie disappear with a no deal?Blue62 said:
That’s not quite the point of this thread is it? I don’t rate either of them, their short comings are laid bare for all to see but the most myopic.
Its entirely the point.Boris is what we have, he isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable.
May got us into a poor position, he seems to be making progress on improving that.
Even if he fails to get a deal, at least the dithering will be over and progress can be made on future relationships.
rxe said:
A good leader surrounds themselves with people who are good at what they are bad at - it’s a fundamental principle that decent leaders recognise. Not saying I’m any good at it, but my leadership team is stuffed full of detail people - accountants, lawyers and the like because I know I am crap at that stuff. If I filled the team with people like me, we’d have some really cool whiteboards with plans on them and be bankrupt, probably in prison. However, if the team was solely comprised of detail people, we’d have no plan at all, no vision, and we’d become irrelevant in a few years.
I’m not about to doubt any of that, but you are presumably talking about running a business whereas what is on the table here is a country, one that requires a person with an extraordinary range of skills and attributes right now. If you think Boris is a statesman then that’s your right and for all our sakes I hope you are proved right. Who_Goes_Blue said:
chrispmartha said:
jsf said:
Anyway, Will the EU protected status of Melton Mowbray pork pie disappear with a no deal?“Pie producer Walker & Son - which says it makes and bakes 80% of all of the UK's Melton Mowbray pork pies - said in 2015 that it sends small shipments abroad.
However, when contacted by the BBC, Walker & Sons said it no longer exports pork pies.
"We are entirely focused on the UK market," a spokeswoman said.
The company said it used to export a "tiny amount" to Singapore - but had not done so "for some time".
When pressed, a spokeswoman said none had been exported for "at least two years".”
The EU protected status is a valid question because if that gets removed it will affect companies making Melton Mowbray pork pies because anyone will be able to make and sell them
Edited by chrispmartha on Monday 26th August 13:24
Edited by chrispmartha on Monday 26th August 13:24
ORD said:
The two are not alternatives. You can have vision and a plan as well as the diligence and attention to detail to execute it. In fact, not understanding the detail makes it likely that the plan will be a bad one or even impossible to implement.
Too much insight and common sense, it won’t wash on here. chrispmartha said:
The EU protected status is a valid question because if that gets removed it will affect companies making Melton Mowbray pork pies because anyone will be able to make and sell them
It's a great question, let me know when you have the answer so I know when to start up my Buckinghamshire Champagne business.chrispmartha said:
The EU protected status is a valid question because if that gets removed it will affect companies making Melton Mowbray pork pies because anyone will be able to make and sell them
That's the rub of it. We're talking about where pork pies go rather than a career liar misrepresenting no deal while avoiding journalistic scrutiny. Same old same old with Johnson.jsf said:
Blue62 said:
I know you're simply trying to defend a position, but you can only get away with anecdotal nonsense for so long! There may be some examples of successful businesses being run by freewheeling loons who 'exasperate' their employees, but I don't see it as a blueprint for success and you'd be hard pushed to find anyone, other than a one eyed Borisite, to agree with you.
Good leaders know their subject, when necessary take calculated risks (not punts) and park their ego's at the gate. There is a worrying trail of gaffes behind him all pointing to the same thing; that he is taking a flyer. I think that when the powers that be decide they've had enough of him he will be hung out to dry and hopefully that day won't be too far off.
Would you rather we had May as PM?Good leaders know their subject, when necessary take calculated risks (not punts) and park their ego's at the gate. There is a worrying trail of gaffes behind him all pointing to the same thing; that he is taking a flyer. I think that when the powers that be decide they've had enough of him he will be hung out to dry and hopefully that day won't be too far off.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Vanden Saab said:
Can you please give a list of the politicians who only tell the truth?
I think you're taking things a little too seriously.There's just something childish and amusing about Boris using Pork Pies to illustrate any point.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Vanden Saab said:
Can you please give a list of the politicians who only tell the truth?
I think you're taking things a little too seriously.There's just something childish and amusing about Boris using Pork Pies to illustrate any point.
Anything that involves nuance, judgement, pragmatism and interpretation is largely beyond them; hence their complete obsession with facile slogans.
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