US Riots

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

I was watching a video about the CHAZ thing in Seattle last night...honestly it looks like some dodgy shantytown in South Africa or something. Do people honestly want this? I can see another White flight situation again like SA where white folks run for the hills and the town slowly falls in on itself, leaving another decrepit Detroit style no go zone. Sad and worrying times ahead I fear.

[coolg]

i would like to go to Detroit, just to see how bad a big city can get.

There are towns in the Industrial areas of the North East where they have been in decline for years following the collapse of mining and heavy industry, but this is a whole city

[VeeDubBigBird]

JagLover said:

Sophisticated Sarah said:

Noodle1982 said:

Young mother shot dead by BLM supporters for daring to say all lives matter

https://mobile.twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1...

I’m amazed at how little coverage there is on this. Maybe 5 news reports if that?

Why are you surprised when most of the MSM have already shown the extent of their bias?

They would have to confront the reality of the sorts of people they are proclaiming heroes and also to acknowledge the reality of the consequences of the poisonous rhetoric they have been spreading. If "silence is violence" as they proclaim then protestors can feel justified in gunning down those who do not conform.

Are you all really using Twitter to get your news, did anyone read the article and source or just the headlines. I did and found articles on Hilary Clintons secret Nazi links, Covid is less lethal than the Flu and George Soros conspiracy theories. The reason none of the legitimate news sources have mentioned the case is because it's nonsense.

As a general rule in life, don't just read the headlines and do your own research before spouting nonsense, it makes you look like an idiot.

[zygalski]

coolg said:

Gadgetmac said:

Dont Panic said:

Anyone want to make an educated guess as to the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime?

Better yet does anyone want to make an educated guess as to the reason for the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime....or does their colour predetermine their actions?

if we assume that they are mainly black;

That is either because of;

Genetics

Socio Economic factors

The whole world being racist

So black people are pre-determined to be more likely to commit crime in part because of their genetics and the colour of their skin. Is that what you're suggesting?

[Earthdweller]

coolg said:

i would like to go to Detroit, just to see how bad a big city can get.

There are towns in the Industrial areas of the North East where they have been in decline for years following the collapse of mining and heavy industry, but this is a whole city

The wealth gap in the US is truly astounding, whilst being a frequent visitor I’ve only been to the East coast ( NY, New England ) but it is incredible if you drive out of the city and come across a beautiful little town, then 5 miles further along another that looks like it’s still in the Great Depression with abandoned cars and houses and people living at the side of the road in trailers

And I’m not talking right out in the Boondocks but maybe 30-50 miles outside NYC up the Hudson Valley

[andymadmak]

VeeDubBigBird said:

Are you all really using Twitter to get your news, did anyone read the article and source or just the headlines. I did and found articles on Hilary Clintons secret Nazi links, Covid is less lethal than the Flu and George Soros conspiracy theories. The reason none of the legitimate news sources have mentioned the case is because it's nonsense.

As a general rule in life, don't just read the headlines and do your own research before spouting nonsense, it makes you look like an idiot.

I am confused. Are you suggesting that Jessica Whitaker was not murdered?

[coolg]

zygalski said:

So black people are pre-determined to be more likely to commit crime in part because of their genetics and the colour of their skin. Is that what you're suggesting?

course not, i was putting forward the commonly suggested reasons.

[Earthdweller]

zygalski said:

So black people are pre-determined to be more likely to commit crime in part because of their genetics and the colour of their skin. Is that what you're suggesting?

I don’t think you can say that, but it is a fact that people from different countries and racial backgrounds are more likely to commit different types of crime

It’s not just “a black thing” it’s far more complex than that socio-economic, familial backgrounds, culture .. it’s complex and I’m not writing war and peace on it .. I’m going to take the dog a walk

[VeeDubBigBird]

andymadmak said:

VeeDubBigBird said:

Are you all really using Twitter to get your news, did anyone read the article and source or just the headlines. I did and found articles on Hilary Clintons secret Nazi links, Covid is less lethal than the Flu and George Soros conspiracy theories. The reason none of the legitimate news sources have mentioned the case is because it's nonsense.

As a general rule in life, don't just read the headlines and do your own research before spouting nonsense, it makes you look like an idiot.

I am confused. Are you suggesting that Jessica Whitaker was not murdered?

No, its the stupidity, lack of even the most basic research into the case, and that their using The Gateway Pundit Articles via Twitter for their news.

This case was reported on by multiple News sites / papers. The victim got into a confrontation with 5 people while walking down a street (not during a protest), after she called them the N-word. Both sides drew weapons and she was subsequently shot. And this is just the side the Fiance has given.

Mostly i'm surprised how easily their convinced to believe any news as long as it fits inside the world they've created in their own minds and not reality.

[Digga]

Earthdweller said:

coolg said:

i would like to go to Detroit, just to see how bad a big city can get.

There are towns in the Industrial areas of the North East where they have been in decline for years following the collapse of mining and heavy industry, but this is a whole city

The wealth gap in the US is truly astounding, whilst being a frequent visitor I’ve only been to the East coast ( NY, New England ) but it is incredible if you drive out of the city and come across a beautiful little town, then 5 miles further along another that looks like it’s still in the Great Depression with abandoned cars and houses and people living at the side of the road in trailers

And I’m not talking right out in the Boondocks but maybe 30-50 miles outside NYC up the Hudson Valley

It's also highly segregated. So in a city, over the space of a few blocks, you could have areas that are white, Hispanic and black. Within those areas, there may often be sub-divisions too; white being Irish or Italian. Black being African or Jamaican.

For whatever reason, there is a strong propensity to live in ghettos and a low propensity -even within ethnically similar communities - to co-operate or co-exist peacefully. It often seems there's little inherent empathy.

[andymadmak]

VeeDubBigBird said:

andymadmak said:

VeeDubBigBird said:

Are you all really using Twitter to get your news, did anyone read the article and source or just the headlines. I did and found articles on Hilary Clintons secret Nazi links, Covid is less lethal than the Flu and George Soros conspiracy theories. The reason none of the legitimate news sources have mentioned the case is because it's nonsense.

As a general rule in life, don't just read the headlines and do your own research before spouting nonsense, it makes you look like an idiot.

I am confused. Are you suggesting that Jessica Whitaker was not murdered?

No, its the stupidity, lack of even the most basic research into the case, and that their using The Gateway Pundit Articles via Twitter for their news.

This case was reported on by multiple News sites / papers. The victim got into a confrontation with 5 people while walking down a street (not during a protest), after she called them the N-word. Both sides drew weapons and she was subsequently shot. And this is just the side the Fiance has given.

Mostly i'm surprised how easily their convinced to believe any news as long as it fits inside the world they've created in their own minds and not reality.

I find your post troubling. Are you suggesting that there is some kind of justification for her being murdered? For (allegedly) using the N word?

As it happens, in the articles I have read the fiancee said that one member in their group used the N word (not Jessica?) and that an argument ensued with some people nearby - an argument that was resolved peacefully (despite guns being drawn on both sides) and everyone went on their way amicably. Then another person shot Ms Whitaker.
Now, suppose that the slightly different version that you posted is true, and that it was Ms Whitaker that used the N word... on what planet does that justify her murder?

I'll apologise in advance if I've misunderstood your point, but you seem to be suggesting that Ms Whitaker's death is not important or relevant (because she allegedly used the N word) Am I due a parrot?

[VeeDubBigBird]

Digga said:

Earthdweller said:

coolg said:

i would like to go to Detroit, just to see how bad a big city can get.

There are towns in the Industrial areas of the North East where they have been in decline for years following the collapse of mining and heavy industry, but this is a whole city

The wealth gap in the US is truly astounding, whilst being a frequent visitor I’ve only been to the East coast ( NY, New England ) but it is incredible if you drive out of the city and come across a beautiful little town, then 5 miles further along another that looks like it’s still in the Great Depression with abandoned cars and houses and people living at the side of the road in trailers

And I’m not talking right out in the Boondocks but maybe 30-50 miles outside NYC up the Hudson Valley

It's also highly segregated. So in a city, over the space of a few blocks, you could have areas that are white, Hispanic and black. Within those areas, there may often be sub-divisions too; white being Irish or Italian. Black being African or Jamaican.

For whatever reason, there is a strong propensity to live in ghettos and a low propensity -even within ethnically similar communities - to co-operate or co-exist peacefully. It often seems there's little inherent empathy.

Thats a social dynamic linked more to poverty than anything else, as you've rightly noted. I Grew up in Airdrie and sections of the community even within the same housing schemes would be divided between protestant and catholic. With no go areas depending on the school you attended or Football team you supported.

America's biggest failing and main cause for most of its unrest has been the lack of any safety net when an entire community falls on hard times, they're just left to fester.

[VeeDubBigBird]

andymadmak said:

I find your post troubling. Are you suggesting that there is some kind of justification for her being murdered? For (allegedly) using the N word?

As it happens, in the articles I have read the fiancee said that one member in their group used the N word (not Jessica?) and that an argument ensued with some people nearby - an argument that was resolved peacefully (despite guns being drawn on both sides) and everyone went on their way amicably. Then another person shot Ms Whitaker.
Now, suppose that the slightly different version that you posted is true, and that it was Ms Whitaker that used the N word... on what planet does that justify her murder?

I'll apologise in advance if I've misunderstood your point, but you seem to be suggesting that Ms Whitaker's death is not important or relevant (because she allegedly used the N word) Am I due a parrot?

No one deserves to die for their believes no matter where they stand. I apologize if i went on a bit of tangent in my last post, and didn't make this as clear as i should have.

My main point is that the post signified everything wrong with america at present and why there is so much tension, and repeat incidents such as this. A country heavily divided with both sides only accepting information that already fits their viewpoints, and a willingness to escalate matters with firearms.

[rscott]

andymadmak said:

VeeDubBigBird said:

andymadmak said:

VeeDubBigBird said:

Are you all really using Twitter to get your news, did anyone read the article and source or just the headlines. I did and found articles on Hilary Clintons secret Nazi links, Covid is less lethal than the Flu and George Soros conspiracy theories. The reason none of the legitimate news sources have mentioned the case is because it's nonsense.

As a general rule in life, don't just read the headlines and do your own research before spouting nonsense, it makes you look like an idiot.

I am confused. Are you suggesting that Jessica Whitaker was not murdered?

No, its the stupidity, lack of even the most basic research into the case, and that their using The Gateway Pundit Articles via Twitter for their news.

This case was reported on by multiple News sites / papers. The victim got into a confrontation with 5 people while walking down a street (not during a protest), after she called them the N-word. Both sides drew weapons and she was subsequently shot. And this is just the side the Fiance has given.

Mostly i'm surprised how easily their convinced to believe any news as long as it fits inside the world they've created in their own minds and not reality.

I find your post troubling. Are you suggesting that there is some kind of justification for her being murdered? For (allegedly) using the N word?

As it happens, in the articles I have read the fiancee said that one member in their group used the N word (not Jessica?) and that an argument ensued with some people nearby - an argument that was resolved peacefully (despite guns being drawn on both sides) and everyone went on their way amicably. Then another person shot Ms Whitaker.
Now, suppose that the slightly different version that you posted is true, and that it was Ms Whitaker that used the N word... on what planet does that justify her murder?

I'll apologise in advance if I've misunderstood your point, but you seem to be suggesting that Ms Whitaker's death is not important or relevant (because she allegedly used the N word) Am I due a parrot?

I don't see anyone's justifying her murder. Just pointing out that the source of that report is not exactly an unbiased source and has a very different slant on the incident than pretty much all other media.

Not surprising, given the author of that article.

[Dont Panic]

zygalski said:

So black people are pre-determined to be more likely to commit crime in part because of their genetics and the colour of their skin. Is that what you're suggesting?

Just to play devils advocate for a moment, is that not a possibility then?

[R Mutt]

zygalski said:

coolg said:

Gadgetmac said:

Dont Panic said:

Anyone want to make an educated guess as to the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime?

Better yet does anyone want to make an educated guess as to the reason for the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime....or does their colour predetermine their actions?

if we assume that they are mainly black;

That is either because of;

Genetics

Socio Economic factors

The whole world being racist

So black people are pre-determined to be more likely to commit crime in part because of their genetics and the colour of their skin. Is that what you're suggesting?

That seems to be a representation of the spectrum of views from right to left, with social economic factors in the centre. Except that really is the underlying cause which itself will often be attributed to the other 2 factors depending on your political views, which is why no one has actually discussed that part in any detail across any of the several current threads on racial politics, without veering to either side as can be seen above.

[zygalski]

Dont Panic said:

zygalski said:

So black people are pre-determined to be more likely to commit crime in part because of their genetics and the colour of their skin. Is that what you're suggesting?

Just to play devils advocate for a moment, is that not a possibility then?

For you it seems to be the principle factor. Tell me I'm wrong.

[Dont Panic]

zygalski said:

For you it seems to be the principle factor. Tell me I'm wrong.

Youre wrong. Satisfied? Now answer the question posed.

[Earthdweller]

VeeDubBigBird said:

Digga said:

Earthdweller said:

coolg said:

i would like to go to Detroit, just to see how bad a big city can get.

There are towns in the Industrial areas of the North East where they have been in decline for years following the collapse of mining and heavy industry, but this is a whole city

The wealth gap in the US is truly astounding, whilst being a frequent visitor I’ve only been to the East coast ( NY, New England ) but it is incredible if you drive out of the city and come across a beautiful little town, then 5 miles further along another that looks like it’s still in the Great Depression with abandoned cars and houses and people living at the side of the road in trailers

And I’m not talking right out in the Boondocks but maybe 30-50 miles outside NYC up the Hudson Valley

It's also highly segregated. So in a city, over the space of a few blocks, you could have areas that are white, Hispanic and black. Within those areas, there may often be sub-divisions too; white being Irish or Italian. Black being African or Jamaican.

For whatever reason, there is a strong propensity to live in ghettos and a low propensity -even within ethnically similar communities - to co-operate or co-exist peacefully. It often seems there's little inherent empathy.

Thats a social dynamic linked more to poverty than anything else, as you've rightly noted. I Grew up in Airdrie and sections of the community even within the same housing schemes would be divided between protestant and catholic. With no go areas depending on the school you attended or Football team you supported.

America's biggest failing and main cause for most of its unrest has been the lack of any safety net when an entire community falls on hard times, they're just left to fester.

My family are in the “Irish” part of the Bronx and it’s all Irish pubs, cafes shops etc

You can get a pint of Guinness, Tayto crisps and Lyons Tea .. in some ways it’s more Irish than Ireland ... yet halfway down the McLean Ave it’s suddenly little Italy .. and they just don’t mix.

And that is replicated all around the city .. lots of little insular bubbles

[zygalski]

Dont Panic said:

zygalski said:

For you it seems to be the principle factor. Tell me I'm wrong.

Youre wrong. Satisfied? Now answer the question posed.

Oh good. Another non-racist PH'er who can't resist posting in every race-related thread going.
It wouldn't take much for the mask to slip...

Anyway. As far as I'm concerned the genetic propensity to crime argument is absolute racist nonsense. There are many other complicated socioeconomic factors, peer group pressure, gang culture and so on which do have influence.

Hypothetical:
If a black person and a white person somehow both grew up isolated on an island, I don't see there being any good reason whatsoever that the black child should be any more likely to commit crime than the white child.
Do you agree?