May Vs Corbyn live on the telly,
Discussion
turbobloke said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
She has been rumbled in my opinion. Genuinely looked like she was going to cry at points.
At least Corbyn/Labour supporters can join in the fun about Abbot et al but Conservatives are quite defiant supporters. To excuse this act of cowardice yet boast that she's strong and stable is inconceivable!!
Not so with a step out of the playground.At least Corbyn/Labour supporters can join in the fun about Abbot et al but Conservatives are quite defiant supporters. To excuse this act of cowardice yet boast that she's strong and stable is inconceivable!!
Most whitewash and bullshine on this thread is from left field.
Conservative supporters acknowledge May's strengths but also the odd job she's presided over with parts of the manifesto for example.
When looking for objectivity from both sides, where was all the ner ner nee ner ner highbrow comment from Labour supporters on Corbyn's original decision...largely absent. As it was from Tory voters as far as my view of the thread goes. There was no need and nothing to be gained,
The only reason this cheap shotting salvo exists is due to an opportunistic Corbyn u-turn. He was meant to be in Glos. Previously he had also decided not to attend.
That earlier decision said nothing about his abilities or inabilities to be PM as the distinct shortfall in that department was already well known. The debate tonight didn't turn Corbyn into PM material nor did it damn May as suggested by her partisan opponents.
The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
She 'handles' Corbyn regularly at the dispatch box, no need to go to a sixth form style shoutfest with the minority leaders as if she had anything to prove.
Corbyn simply threw everything he could think of at Amber Rudd while she was in the middle of answering another question. Didn't make him look big at all.
And it does make me laugh hearing all these 'lifelong Tory voters' now moving to Labour having heard Corblimey speak. More like lifelong Labour voters trying to be clever...
Corbyn simply threw everything he could think of at Amber Rudd while she was in the middle of answering another question. Didn't make him look big at all.
And it does make me laugh hearing all these 'lifelong Tory voters' now moving to Labour having heard Corblimey speak. More like lifelong Labour voters trying to be clever...
Edited by Oilchange on Wednesday 31st May 23:47
Oilchange said:
She 'handles' Corbyn regularly at the dispatch box, no need to go to a sixth form style shoutfest with the minority leaders as if she had anything to prove.
Corbyn simply threw everything he could think of at Amber Rudd while she was in the middle of answering another question. Didn't make him look big at all.
Is that how you saw it? Corbyn simply threw everything he could think of at Amber Rudd while she was in the middle of answering another question. Didn't make him look big at all.
Who are you going to vote for? I'm voting for an independent so I'm completely unbiased.
Edit to add: This TV debate is much more sophisticated than the house of commons. May has the support of her backbenchers cheering and jeering with every word she says...
And if this IS a 'sixth form style shoutfest', shouldn't she be able to walk in, buff her nails on her chest and dominate them? You just answered your own question pal!
Edited by SpeedMattersNot on Wednesday 31st May 23:49
Oilchange said:
I saw a minor debate with Corbyn trying to steal the limelight. I saw Corbyn shouting down Amber Rudd without any factual argument, certainly without any figures. Hell, he didn't have his ipad so just as well.
He had the crowd in his hand, even cracking jokes! How do you think those die hard Tories sat their felt, that their brilliant party was being represented by Rudd? Thatcher would be turning in her grave...
SpeedMattersNot said:
n this thread, perhaps that's your opinion, but the NP&E is and has always been synonymous with left-wing bashing.
The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
She wont be dealing with dozens of MEP's. Do you still not understand the process of the negotiations?The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
I've only ever placed one bet in my life, I won £2500 on a £50 stake. I wont be placing a bet on Corbyn.
Oilchange said:
I saw a minor debate with Corbyn trying to steal the limelight. I saw Corbyn shouting down Amber Rudd without any factual argument, certainly without any figures. Hell, he didn't have his ipad so just as well.
Like wise there were no figures ,or useful facts, when Rudd was asked what the cap for the "dementia tax" would be. Just vote for us and we'll tell you after.jsf said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
n this thread, perhaps that's your opinion, but the NP&E is and has always been synonymous with left-wing bashing.
The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
She wont be dealing with dozens of MEP's. Do you still not understand the process of the negotiations?The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
I've only ever placed one bet in my life, I won £2500 on a £50 stake. I wont be placing a bet on Corbyn.
Well, whoever it is that she claims only she, this oh so strong and stable leader, will be able to sit at the negotiating table with, if she can't take part in these events, she has absolutely no chance in Europe.
SpeedMattersNot said:
o, to be fair I do not.
Well, whoever it is that she claims only she, this oh so strong and stable leader, will be able to sit at the negotiating table with, if she can't take part in these events, she has absolutely no chance in Europe.
There is no similarity whatsoever between sitting at the negotiating chamber and an event such as tonights. Chalk and cheese.Well, whoever it is that she claims only she, this oh so strong and stable leader, will be able to sit at the negotiating table with, if she can't take part in these events, she has absolutely no chance in Europe.
Edited to add. It will be David Davis sitting at the negotiating table anyway.
Told me everything I thought already. Leaders TV debates are a shouty interruption waste of time in front of a rather silly audience determined to try and add something. The press have been successful in making out these are some absolute requirement, as if they've been around forever.
Are people actually capable of sitting down and watching someone like Andrew Neil spend a calm 30 mins or more speaking , or is the It's a Knockout style of TV debate going to win out for the simple people ?
Are people actually capable of sitting down and watching someone like Andrew Neil spend a calm 30 mins or more speaking , or is the It's a Knockout style of TV debate going to win out for the simple people ?
gooner1 said:
Oilchange said:
I saw a minor debate with Corbyn trying to steal the limelight. I saw Corbyn shouting down Amber Rudd without any factual argument, certainly without any figures. Hell, he didn't have his ipad so just as well.
Like wise there were no figures ,or useful facts, when Rudd was asked what the cap for the "dementia tax" would be. Just vote for us and we'll tell you after.
s2art said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
o, to be fair I do not.
Well, whoever it is that she claims only she, this oh so strong and stable leader, will be able to sit at the negotiating table with, if she can't take part in these events, she has absolutely no chance in Europe.
There is no similarity whatsoever between sitting at the negotiating chamber and an event such as tonights. Chalk and cheese.Well, whoever it is that she claims only she, this oh so strong and stable leader, will be able to sit at the negotiating table with, if she can't take part in these events, she has absolutely no chance in Europe.
Edited to add. It will be David Davis sitting at the negotiating table anyway.
This lady really is not for turning,up, is she
SpeedMattersNot said:
jsf said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
n this thread, perhaps that's your opinion, but the NP&E is and has always been synonymous with left-wing bashing.
The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
She wont be dealing with dozens of MEP's. Do you still not understand the process of the negotiations?The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
I've only ever placed one bet in my life, I won £2500 on a £50 stake. I wont be placing a bet on Corbyn.
Well, whoever it is that she claims only she, this oh so strong and stable leader, will be able to sit at the negotiating table with, if she can't take part in these events, she has absolutely no chance in Europe.
gooner1 said:
s2art said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
o, to be fair I do not.
Well, whoever it is that she claims only she, this oh so strong and stable leader, will be able to sit at the negotiating table with, if she can't take part in these events, she has absolutely no chance in Europe.
There is no similarity whatsoever between sitting at the negotiating chamber and an event such as tonights. Chalk and cheese.Well, whoever it is that she claims only she, this oh so strong and stable leader, will be able to sit at the negotiating table with, if she can't take part in these events, she has absolutely no chance in Europe.
Edited to add. It will be David Davis sitting at the negotiating table anyway.
This lady really is not for turning,up, is she
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