So what now for the Labour party?
Discussion
jakesmith said:
otolith said:
Because a substantial part of the party, both PLP and membership, rightly or wrongly felt that there could be no such thing - that any Brexit was a disaster for the ordinary people of the country and that trying to mitigate the harm by surrendering democratic control of things like worker's rights to an EU we no longer had a say in was a perverse way of taking back control. Fundamentally, I think a large chunk of the Labour Party thought that the only reason for Brexit was xenophobia and that they could not live with getting behind that.
Why did they trigger a50 then? Why did Corbyn say he would respect the result?
Dishonesty from the party and leadership and lack of realism in your post
Roofless Toothless said:
B'stard Child said:
MX6 said:
booboise blueboys said:
Serious question, can Boris Johnson with his majority now actually legislate for Labour to be disbanded and considered too extremist for our country? What would it take and might it actually be a good thing?
It feels to me like something which would be good for the country. They shouldn't be able to get away with complaining in th HoC when the country has clearly demonstrated they don't want them. The existing Labour MPs would then have to become independents and the Labour movement can be stopped in its tracks for good?
Political parties of any persuasion no matter how extreme need to be defeated at the ballot box, not by a totalitarian state intent on vanquishing all opposition. It feels to me like something which would be good for the country. They shouldn't be able to get away with complaining in th HoC when the country has clearly demonstrated they don't want them. The existing Labour MPs would then have to become independents and the Labour movement can be stopped in its tracks for good?
Surely your not so partisan that you wish to silence the official opposition party of this country? I think you should be content with the large Tory majority govenrnment that we now have. Labour need to reform, to better reflect the views of the working class population of the country that they purport to represent, not be forcibly disbanded.
Dont like rolls said:
Corbyn held the most Upright position on the Eu, one of reform and a true socialist development.
He has always said it should be more Socialist and has always worked with the leaders of the Eu's Socialist governments for such reforms.
Like all the best socialist leaders over time he has always waited for the people to speak, that has been taken away from us "the people" by the dirty money and underhand actions of the capitalist system.
With Corbyn and Abbot coming together to explode the new lies about "No climate change", his political strength will come out on top.
Does this stuff pay? I could do with some extra money for Christmas He has always said it should be more Socialist and has always worked with the leaders of the Eu's Socialist governments for such reforms.
Like all the best socialist leaders over time he has always waited for the people to speak, that has been taken away from us "the people" by the dirty money and underhand actions of the capitalist system.
With Corbyn and Abbot coming together to explode the new lies about "No climate change", his political strength will come out on top.
Edited by Dont like rolls on Friday 20th December 09:51
The worrying thing is that without your previous posting history it would be impossible to tell whether this was parody or Momentalism. They really are that crazy.Dont like rolls said:
Corbyn held the most Upright position on the Eu, one of reform and a true socialist development.
He has always said it should be more Socialist and has always worked with the leaders of the Eu's Socialist governments for such reforms.
Like all the best socialist leaders over time he has always waited for the people to speak, that has been taken away from us "the people" by the dirty money and underhand actions of the capitalist system.
With Corbyn and Abbot coming together to explode the new lies about "No climate change", his political strength will come out on top.
I like the bit about Corbyn and Abbot coming together.He has always said it should be more Socialist and has always worked with the leaders of the Eu's Socialist governments for such reforms.
Like all the best socialist leaders over time he has always waited for the people to speak, that has been taken away from us "the people" by the dirty money and underhand actions of the capitalist system.
With Corbyn and Abbot coming together to explode the new lies about "No climate change", his political strength will come out on top.
Edited by Dont like rolls on Friday 20th December 09:51
Even at a local level the Labour party can't stop itself branding its own voters and the general electorate ignorant.
On local radio yesterday a local Labour councillor labelled its own voters and the general electorate ignorant when trying to justify a double digit "allowance" (aka pay) rise for themselves.
The natural reaction to being labelled as thick is to think to yourself I'll show you who is thick at the ballot box, those that just don't listen to their own supporters and certainly those don't listen to those that disagree with them never mind try and win them over we sensible debate.
On local radio yesterday a local Labour councillor labelled its own voters and the general electorate ignorant when trying to justify a double digit "allowance" (aka pay) rise for themselves.
The natural reaction to being labelled as thick is to think to yourself I'll show you who is thick at the ballot box, those that just don't listen to their own supporters and certainly those don't listen to those that disagree with them never mind try and win them over we sensible debate.
B'stard Child said:
booboise blueboys said:
Serious question, can Boris Johnson with his majority now actually legislate for Labour to be disbanded and considered too extremist for our country? What would it take and might it actually be a good thing?
It feels to me like something which would be good for the country. They shouldn't be able to get away with complaining in th HoC when the country has clearly demonstrated they don't want them. The existing Labour MPs would then have to become independents and the Labour movement can be stopped in its tracks for good?
It feels to me like something which would be good for the country. They shouldn't be able to get away with complaining in th HoC when the country has clearly demonstrated they don't want them. The existing Labour MPs would then have to become independents and the Labour movement can be stopped in its tracks for good?
You are a very funny "individual" (Gender neutral option selected as I've no wish to repeat JK Rowling's mistake)
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booboise blueboys said:
Serious question, can Boris Johnson with his majority now actually legislate for Labour to be disbanded and considered too extremist for our country? What would it take and might it actually be a good thing?
It feels to me like something which would be good for the country. They shouldn't be able to get away with complaining in th HoC when the country has clearly demonstrated they don't want them. The existing Labour MPs would then have to become independents and the Labour movement can be stopped in its tracks for good?
Obvious momentum troll is obvious. It feels to me like something which would be good for the country. They shouldn't be able to get away with complaining in th HoC when the country has clearly demonstrated they don't want them. The existing Labour MPs would then have to become independents and the Labour movement can be stopped in its tracks for good?
Dont like rolls said:
Corbyn held the most Upright position on the Eu, one of reform and a true socialist development.
He has always said it should be more Socialist and has always worked with the leaders of the Eu's Socialist governments for such reforms.
Like all the best socialist leaders over time he has always waited for the people to speak, that has been taken away from us "the people" by the dirty money and underhand actions of the capitalist system.
With Corbyn and Abbot coming together to explode the new lies about "No climate change", his political strength will come out on top.
I remember when he went to meet the Socialist leaders in Brussels...He has always said it should be more Socialist and has always worked with the leaders of the Eu's Socialist governments for such reforms.
Like all the best socialist leaders over time he has always waited for the people to speak, that has been taken away from us "the people" by the dirty money and underhand actions of the capitalist system.
With Corbyn and Abbot coming together to explode the new lies about "No climate change", his political strength will come out on top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZPTZuwwHng
I'd imagine Corbyn either won't go (the Farage special 'they insisted I stay ' technique) or he'll gerrymander the competition to appoint his successor to ensure someone robotic and compliant is put in place.
Then what we are going to hear every time Labour speaks is 'climate crisis'. It will be wheeled out every time on every topic and any time the Tories do something it will be 'ignoring our climate crisis'.
Then what we are going to hear every time Labour speaks is 'climate crisis'. It will be wheeled out every time on every topic and any time the Tories do something it will be 'ignoring our climate crisis'.
The previous Labour leader, Ed Miliband, to be in charge when they failed to win in a General Election is to assist in the review of what went wrong:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50888060
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50888060
Puddenchucker said:
The previous Labour leader, Ed Miliband, to be in charge when they failed to win in a General Election is to assist in the review of what went wrong:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50888060
Had a quick scan of the article, tells you what they plan to do in the review etc. Didn't see anything like "talk to voters in constituents that switched to conservative". That's where I'd start! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50888060
Also says they definitely won't blame a single factor. Why not? Why rule that out if a single factor is the problem for most voters?
Puddenchucker said:
The previous Labour leader, Ed Miliband, to be in charge when they failed to win in a General Election is to assist in the review of what went wrong:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50888060
Hello, Mr Miliband.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50888060
Here's why I didn't vote Labour. Brexit wasn't remotely a factor. Hope that helps:
cml24 said:
Had a quick scan of the article, tells you what they plan to do in the review etc. Didn't see anything like "talk to voters in constituents that switched to conservative". That's where I'd start!
Also says they definitely won't blame a single factor. Why not? Why rule that out if a single factor is the problem for most voters?
Talk to people who vote for a cruel and nasty party with a racist leader not pursuing a jobs first Brexit who gives tax cuts to billionaires, heaping misery on the many with economic policies that aren't credible?Also says they definitely won't blame a single factor. Why not? Why rule that out if a single factor is the problem for most voters?
Why would they do that?
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