CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 13)
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NewBod said:
Another anecdotal high five to the NHS.
My wife injured her eye a few weeks ago. Went to the local urgent treatment centre the next morning. They looked at it straight away (can't fault them for that) and said you need to leave it a few days and see how it goes. If it's still not cleared up, contact your GP.
Two weeks later, her eye is still blurry so she called the GP earlier. They won't see her until she can have a phone appointment. Next phone appointment is next week. Eh? She needs a physical examination.
My wife told the surgery everything that has happened and said she needs to be seen for someone to look at it. Nope said the GP surgery. Phone appointment only.
I can see us taking her to A&E or the UTC again. What an absolute waste of urgent treatment resources. What shocking behaviour by the GP.
That reminds me, I must file my complaint about the GP with the health ombudsman. This episode has given me more reason to do it now.
My local hospital has an Eye Casualty Department. It's a walk in and they will triage you as to whether it's urgent or to just go and see a GP. Might find there is similar near you? My wife injured her eye a few weeks ago. Went to the local urgent treatment centre the next morning. They looked at it straight away (can't fault them for that) and said you need to leave it a few days and see how it goes. If it's still not cleared up, contact your GP.
Two weeks later, her eye is still blurry so she called the GP earlier. They won't see her until she can have a phone appointment. Next phone appointment is next week. Eh? She needs a physical examination.
My wife told the surgery everything that has happened and said she needs to be seen for someone to look at it. Nope said the GP surgery. Phone appointment only.
I can see us taking her to A&E or the UTC again. What an absolute waste of urgent treatment resources. What shocking behaviour by the GP.
That reminds me, I must file my complaint about the GP with the health ombudsman. This episode has given me more reason to do it now.
Joe Rogan out with what he called an Emergency podcast today with Bret Weinstein and Dr Pierre Korey about Ivermectin and other alternative medicines
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkET...
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkET...
Roman Rhodes said:
77th Brigade said:
Presumably the misinformation about how restrictions (e.g. mask wearing) have been lifted or relaxed abroad is just to rile up the 'sceptics' even more.It isn't true.
Hopefully there's a stark visual message to similar effect at the Euros with 60k people in stadia, which will create a few more sceptics.
Two questions if I may:
a) Is the vaccine still under "emergency approval", or whatever the phrase is, and is the next step just final approval?
b) Is there any form of mass antibody testing to assess how long immunity lasts? (Does having it confer the same immunity and period as the vaccine?) From a science perspective, I'm not expecting this to be a yes/no answer.
With references rather than hyperbole if you would please
a) Is the vaccine still under "emergency approval", or whatever the phrase is, and is the next step just final approval?
b) Is there any form of mass antibody testing to assess how long immunity lasts? (Does having it confer the same immunity and period as the vaccine?) From a science perspective, I'm not expecting this to be a yes/no answer.
With references rather than hyperbole if you would please
strudel said:
Two questions if I may:
a) Is the vaccine still under "emergency approval", or whatever the phrase is, and is the next step just final approval?
b) Is there any form of mass antibody testing to assess how long immunity lasts? (Does having it confer the same immunity and period as the vaccine?) From a science perspective, I'm not expecting this to be a yes/no answer.
With references rather than hyperbole if you would please
Yes, the vaccines are still under emergency approval which lasts for 12 months. It can be extended if required, or full approval can be granted if appropriate and that will probably depend upon final study readouts, additional data submitted etc.a) Is the vaccine still under "emergency approval", or whatever the phrase is, and is the next step just final approval?
b) Is there any form of mass antibody testing to assess how long immunity lasts? (Does having it confer the same immunity and period as the vaccine?) From a science perspective, I'm not expecting this to be a yes/no answer.
With references rather than hyperbole if you would please
I'm not aware of any antibody testing schemes in place, but I would assume there's the odd study kicking about somewhere. As a general rule, vaccines should provide the up to the same levels of immunity as a natural infection.
NewBod said:
Another anecdotal high five to the NHS.
My wife injured her eye a few weeks ago. Went to the local urgent treatment centre the next morning. They looked at it straight away (can't fault them for that) and said you need to leave it a few days and see how it goes. If it's still not cleared up, contact your GP.
Two weeks later, her eye is still blurry so she called the GP earlier. They won't see her until she can have a phone appointment. Next phone appointment is next week. Eh? She needs a physical examination.
My wife told the surgery everything that has happened and said she needs to be seen for someone to look at it. Nope said the GP surgery. Phone appointment only.
I can see us taking her to A&E or the UTC again. What an absolute waste of urgent treatment resources. What shocking behaviour by the GP.
That reminds me, I must file my complaint about the GP with the health ombudsman. This episode has given me more reason to do it now.
No, didn't you get the memo? Seeing a GP face to face is "old fashioned"... you don't need to see them My wife injured her eye a few weeks ago. Went to the local urgent treatment centre the next morning. They looked at it straight away (can't fault them for that) and said you need to leave it a few days and see how it goes. If it's still not cleared up, contact your GP.
Two weeks later, her eye is still blurry so she called the GP earlier. They won't see her until she can have a phone appointment. Next phone appointment is next week. Eh? She needs a physical examination.
My wife told the surgery everything that has happened and said she needs to be seen for someone to look at it. Nope said the GP surgery. Phone appointment only.
I can see us taking her to A&E or the UTC again. What an absolute waste of urgent treatment resources. What shocking behaviour by the GP.
That reminds me, I must file my complaint about the GP with the health ombudsman. This episode has given me more reason to do it now.
Seriously though, that's awful - I have similar stories in my family. Heads should be rolling over all this.
strudel said:
Two questions if I may:
a) Is the vaccine still under "emergency approval", or whatever the phrase is, and is the next step just final approval?
b) Is there any form of mass antibody testing to assess how long immunity lasts? (Does having it confer the same immunity and period as the vaccine?) From a science perspective, I'm not expecting this to be a yes/no answer.
With references rather than hyperbole if you would please
A Yes.a) Is the vaccine still under "emergency approval", or whatever the phrase is, and is the next step just final approval?
b) Is there any form of mass antibody testing to assess how long immunity lasts? (Does having it confer the same immunity and period as the vaccine?) From a science perspective, I'm not expecting this to be a yes/no answer.
With references rather than hyperbole if you would please
I think final approval comes in 2023, but I stand to be corrected. As far as I know they just keep going with the emergency approval, which needs extending periodically I think. (Which will no doubt be granted)
B. AFAIK natural immunity is being measured, and eventually drops off. (At which point you will more than likely get a mild(er) hit of covid than first time round). 8But I'm not sure if we've hit that point yet, although certainly cases of reinfection are becoming more common (citation needed). But as they recommend getting jabbed anyway, the vast majority of those who had a natural infection will now have had 1 or 2 doses of the vaccine. Unsure if there's an ongoing trial of people who have definately had covid who are deliberately not taking the vaccine, HMG could do worse than pop on here and ask for volunteers
strudel said:
Two questions if I may:
a) Is the vaccine still under "emergency approval", or whatever the phrase is, and is the next step just final approval?
b) Is there any form of mass antibody testing to assess how long immunity lasts? (Does having it confer the same immunity and period as the vaccine?) From a science perspective, I'm not expecting this to be a yes/no answer.
With references rather than hyperbole if you would please
A) Yes, it’s under EUA (Emergency Use Approval), that’s easy enough to find. Trials finish around Feb 2023.a) Is the vaccine still under "emergency approval", or whatever the phrase is, and is the next step just final approval?
b) Is there any form of mass antibody testing to assess how long immunity lasts? (Does having it confer the same immunity and period as the vaccine?) From a science perspective, I'm not expecting this to be a yes/no answer.
With references rather than hyperbole if you would please
B) Infection acquired immunity is better and probably longer lasting than any perceived immunity from these vaccines.
https://youtu.be/0XrAC01Xklc
NewBod said:
Another anecdotal high five to the NHS.
My wife injured her eye a few weeks ago. Went to the local urgent treatment centre the next morning. They looked at it straight away (can't fault them for that) and said you need to leave it a few days and see how it goes. If it's still not cleared up, contact your GP.
Two weeks later, her eye is still blurry so she called the GP earlier. They won't see her until she can have a phone appointment. Next phone appointment is next week. Eh? She needs a physical examination.
My wife told the surgery everything that has happened and said she needs to be seen for someone to look at it. Nope said the GP surgery. Phone appointment only.
I can see us taking her to A&E or the UTC again. What an absolute waste of urgent treatment resources. What shocking behaviour by the GP.
That reminds me, I must file my complaint about the GP with the health ombudsman. This episode has given me more reason to do it now.
I'm not sure about in England & Wales, but in Scotland opticians will generally look at emergency cases & then claim payment from the NHS for doing so - you're probably going to get a better result seeing a qualified optician in your local high-street place than you will going to a GP who isn't specifically trained in eye problems. Whether the optician will be able to refer you to a hospital ophthalmology department or just send you to your GP after that I don't know, but I imagine with an opticians report you might get a better result in your GP phone appointment.My wife injured her eye a few weeks ago. Went to the local urgent treatment centre the next morning. They looked at it straight away (can't fault them for that) and said you need to leave it a few days and see how it goes. If it's still not cleared up, contact your GP.
Two weeks later, her eye is still blurry so she called the GP earlier. They won't see her until she can have a phone appointment. Next phone appointment is next week. Eh? She needs a physical examination.
My wife told the surgery everything that has happened and said she needs to be seen for someone to look at it. Nope said the GP surgery. Phone appointment only.
I can see us taking her to A&E or the UTC again. What an absolute waste of urgent treatment resources. What shocking behaviour by the GP.
That reminds me, I must file my complaint about the GP with the health ombudsman. This episode has given me more reason to do it now.
Edit to add - last time I had an eye injury, I got it looked at in (should have gone to...) as an emergency and got a note on headed paper to visit (well known chemist named after shoes) & request a specific type of eyedrops. Whether they could write a prescription for things that aren't available over the counter, I'm not sure.
Edited by alangla on Wednesday 23 June 16:21
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
NewBod said:
Do we have the G7 variant in circulation yet?
Did we label everything like this with flu?
Flu is at least 10 times less troublesome than even the alpha ( Kent ) Covid strain. There’s no need to get the collective knickers in a twist about flu.Did we label everything like this with flu?
Did you see the news article that is posted pages back? Some health 'boss' in Lincolnshire has been saying we will probably need to lockdown because of a bad flu outbreak this year.
R Mutt said:
Roman Rhodes said:
77th Brigade said:
Presumably the misinformation about how restrictions (e.g. mask wearing) have been lifted or relaxed abroad is just to rile up the 'sceptics' even more.It isn't true.
Hopefully there's a stark visual message to similar effect at the Euros with 60k people in stadia, which will create a few more sceptics.
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