Teacher guilty of sex with two boys

[oddman]

popeyewhite said:

otolith said:

Lotobear said:

popeyewhite said:

oddman said:

Another assumption is that this story started in the classroom or school. It probably started years before in the personal history of the perpetrator and her choice (conscious or otherwise) to take a role that placed her in authority over children.

An interesting comment. Has any event like this been documented?

...it's a fairly well established and recognised phenomenon - Saville, Barry Bennell et al

I believe the Catholic Church has had an issue or two too.

Yes, but I meant specifically a schoolteacher. A person who trained through their college years to be a teacher. Often with a degree, but certainly with a PGCE. Is there any documented evidence specifically of that?

To clarify speculation on my part. What is established is that it is not unusual for victims to become perpetrators.

So having experienced trauma, choosing biologically mature but otherwise immature males might be a way of taking control of a situation in a way that would be difficult with an adult male.

This may have been a motivation (conscious or not) to choose a profession with authority over minors or she may have been unaware of her 'tastes' until the buffet was laid out for her.

As another fan of young boys said 'The truth is never pure and rarely simple'

Edited by oddman on Wednesday 22 May 19:35

[Rivenink]

Oakey said:

gregs656 said:

Two consenting male adults gets a very different response - indeed a common accusation there is grooming even if there is no evidence for it, and apparently they would be fine with it if it was a female teacher.

That's PH for you.

If you're talking about Schofield, he's probably a wrong un as well. Unless you think he likes befriending young boys and kickstarting their careers for altruistic reasons?

A simple fact is often skipped over is that Scofield could entirely legally have had sex with the man when he was 16, if Scofield was the grooming "wrong'un" people make him out to be.

Their sexual relationship didn't start until the man was 19, if I recall right.

So Gregs656 is spot on.

[andyA700]

otolith said:

Lotobear said:

popeyewhite said:

oddman said:

Another assumption is that this story started in the classroom or school. It probably started years before in the personal history of the perpetrator and her choice (conscious or otherwise) to take a role that placed her in authority over children.

An interesting comment. Has any event like this been documented?

...it's a fairly well established and recognised phenomenon - Saville, Barry Bennell et al

I believe the Catholic Church has had an issue or two too.

I really wonder why people have to generalise about the Catholic church, when it clearly is a problem with all faiths.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ch...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63144354

https://www.churchofengland.org/safeguarding/indep...

[andyA700]

Mr Penguin said:

popeyewhite said:

Yes that's what I mean. I was thinking that teaching as a vocation is hard enough without having an ulterior motive for your study running in the background. I'm not sure it could ever be 'proved', but obviously court ordered forensic psych evaluations are regularly performed.

It's extremely unlikely that no teachers join for that reason, in whole or in part.

Although not a teacher, Ian Huntley, the Soham murderer definitely became a school caretaker in order to abuse young girls. The fact that his past was ignored and he was able to do this was disgusting. I have no doubt that some teachers and others in places of authority do this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soham_murders

[Mr Penguin]

andyA700 said:

I really wonder why people have to generalise about the Catholic church, when it clearly is a problem with all faiths.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ch...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63144354

https://www.churchofengland.org/safeguarding/indep...

All faiths and all institutions have a tendency to protect themselves and their reputation, especially those which are a part of the establishment. The Catholic Church is probably on the upper end of this but I don't think they deserve singling out, and it isn't helpful to focus on one area where this happens and ignore all the other cases.

[otolith]

andyA700 said:

I really wonder why people have to generalise about the Catholic church, when it clearly is a problem with all faiths.

Because as an institution (not a faith) its specific failures in this respect have been widely exposed. If I'd said something about the Met, would you be looking for other police forces with wrong'uns?

[KAgantua]

popeyewhite said:

bhstewie said:

Is it just me or is some of the stuff on this thread sickening?

It's just you.

And you're lying.

If you truly found stuff on here sickening you would leave the thread.

Here here, so many threads are a 'bin fire' or the 'state of that' its a wonder why he keeps coming back?

Here to troll, simple as.

[Dagnir]

andyA700 said:

I really wonder why people have to generalise about the Catholic church, when it clearly is a problem with all faiths.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ch...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63144354

https://www.churchofengland.org/safeguarding/indep...

I'd go so far as to say that these days, one particular religion has far a bigger problem than Catholicism...

Sadly extending to abuse of children within one's own family.

[Oakey]

Rivenink said:

A simple fact is often skipped over is that Scofield could entirely legally have had sex with the man when he was 16, if Scofield was the grooming "wrong'un" people make him out to be.

So Gregs656 is spot on.

He was introduced to him when he was about 11.

Introduced to him by his mate Simon, who was befriended by a 35yr old Schofield when he was 15. Schofield also launched his career.

Rivenink said:

Their sexual relationship didn't start until the man was 19, if I recall right.

18. But what would you expect him to say? He's hardly going to admit it if something happened whilst he was underage. But that's neither here nor there, befriending a young child, building a relationship with them, offering to help them with their career and then having a sexual relationship with them as soon as it's legal is still grooming.

Then factor in Shofield's brother told him that he had been abusing his own son and Schofield's response was "don't do that again". That's a red flag right there.

[PurpleTurtle]

Not had time to read the whole thread but my takeaway from following the case is that the perpetrator here is probably very emotionally immature.

She'd recently broken up with a bloke she'd been with since school. It screams "not very experienced with men" to me. Probably some weird view that because she first got together with him when they were 15 then it was OK for her to rinse and repeat that behaviour. Incredibly odd, seeing as teachers have it drilled into them from the outset to not get involved with pupils.

A female friend of mine is a 45yo head of year at a secondary school, she spends all her time dealing with 15yo youths. The latest pain in her life is that lots of groups of lads she teaches like to train after school at our local gym, they are generally three stone wet through but spend loads of time in the changing rooms photographing how buff they are in the mirror for their Insta etc, and generally being annoying teenage boys.

She hates going there because she doesn't really want them to see her sweating in her gym gear. The absolute last thing she wants is any kind of sexual interaction with them. That's exactly how it should be.

[popeyewhite]

PurpleTurtle said:

Not had time to read the whole thread but my takeaway from following the case is that the perpetrator here is probably very emotionally immature.

She'd recently broken up with a bloke she'd been with since school. It screams "not very experienced with men" to me. Probably some weird view that because she first got together with him when they were 15 then it was OK for her to rinse and repeat that behaviour. Incredibly odd, seeing as teachers have it drilled into them from the outset to not get involved with pupils.

A female friend of mine is a 45yo head of year at a secondary school, she spends all her time dealing with 15yo youths. The latest pain in her life is that lots of groups of lads she teaches like to train after school at our local gym, they are generally three stone wet through but spend loads of time in the changing rooms photographing how buff they are in the mirror for their Insta etc, and generally being annoying teenage boys.

She hates going there because she doesn't really want them to see her sweating in her gym gear. The absolute last thing she wants is any kind of sexual interaction with them. That's exactly how it should be.

They won't even notice her, they'll be buried too deep in their phones.

And anyway I''l bet a woman of that age looks positively ancient and disgusting to a young teenage lad.

[RSTurboPaul]

popeyewhite said:

PurpleTurtle said:

Not had time to read the whole thread but my takeaway from following the case is that the perpetrator here is probably very emotionally immature.

She'd recently broken up with a bloke she'd been with since school. It screams "not very experienced with men" to me. Probably some weird view that because she first got together with him when they were 15 then it was OK for her to rinse and repeat that behaviour. Incredibly odd, seeing as teachers have it drilled into them from the outset to not get involved with pupils.

A female friend of mine is a 45yo head of year at a secondary school, she spends all her time dealing with 15yo youths. The latest pain in her life is that lots of groups of lads she teaches like to train after school at our local gym, they are generally three stone wet through but spend loads of time in the changing rooms photographing how buff they are in the mirror for their Insta etc, and generally being annoying teenage boys.

She hates going there because she doesn't really want them to see her sweating in her gym gear. The absolute last thing she wants is any kind of sexual interaction with them. That's exactly how it should be.

They won't even notice her, they'll be buried too deep in their phones.

And anyway I''l bet a woman of that age looks positively ancient and disgusting to a young teenage lad.

May I introduce the concept of 'the cougar'...

[asfault]

RSTurboPaul said:

popeyewhite said:

PurpleTurtle said:

Not had time to read the whole thread but my takeaway from following the case is that the perpetrator here is probably very emotionally immature.

She'd recently broken up with a bloke she'd been with since school. It screams "not very experienced with men" to me. Probably some weird view that because she first got together with him when they were 15 then it was OK for her to rinse and repeat that behaviour. Incredibly odd, seeing as teachers have it drilled into them from the outset to not get involved with pupils.

A female friend of mine is a 45yo head of year at a secondary school, she spends all her time dealing with 15yo youths. The latest pain in her life is that lots of groups of lads she teaches like to train after school at our local gym, they are generally three stone wet through but spend loads of time in the changing rooms photographing how buff they are in the mirror for their Insta etc, and generally being annoying teenage boys.

She hates going there because she doesn't really want them to see her sweating in her gym gear. The absolute last thing she wants is any kind of sexual interaction with them. That's exactly how it should be.

They won't even notice her, they'll be buried too deep in their phones.

And anyway I''l bet a woman of that age looks positively ancient and disgusting to a young teenage lad.

May I introduce the concept of 'the cougar'...

Busted wrote a song about it.

"so she may be 33 but that doesnt bother me....

(they were 16,17 at the time.)

At the 20 year reunion tour they changed the lyrics to 53 lol