Your voting intentions

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Not true. I'm asking for you (or anyone else) to explain why my comments are misogynistic.

I'll own it if you can explain it.

You've literally explained away her successful political career on her looks and being a mother at a young age. Can that be any simpler?

I don't think I mentioned her looks. I actually said they're irrelevant. I don't see being a schoolgirl mother as a positive.

And the people of Ashton Under Lyme voted Labour I suspect, not for Angela Rayner. They'd gave voted for anyone wearing a red rosette.

[chrispmartha]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Not true. I'm asking for you (or anyone else) to explain why my comments are misogynistic.

I'll own it if you can explain it.

You've literally explained away her successful political career on her looks and being a mother at a young age. Can that be any simpler?

I don't think I mentioned her looks. I actually said they're irrelevant. I don't see being a schoolgirl mother as a positive.

And the people of Ashton Under Lyme voted Labour I suspect, not for Angela Rayner. They'd gave voted for anyone wearing a red rosette.

You said she was eye candy for knuckle draggers.

[Castrol for a knave]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Not true. I'm asking for you (or anyone else) to explain why my comments are misogynistic.

I'll own it if you can explain it.

You've literally explained away her successful political career on her looks and being a mother at a young age. Can that be any simpler?

I don't think I mentioned her looks. I actually said they're irrelevant. I don't see being a schoolgirl mother as a positive.

And the people of Ashton Under Lyme voted Labour I suspect, not for Angela Rayner. They'd gave voted for anyone wearing a red rosette.

I think a schoolgirl mother, who is probably the next Deputy Prime Minister, is very much a positive. I would say the same if she was a Conservative.

[CivicDuties]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Not true. I'm asking for you (or anyone else) to explain why my comments are misogynistic.

I'll own it if you can explain it.

You've literally explained away her successful political career on her looks and being a mother at a young age. Can that be any simpler?

I don't think I mentioned her looks. I actually said they're irrelevant. I don't see being a schoolgirl mother as a positive.

And the people of Ashton Under Lyme voted Labour I suspect, not for Angela Rayner. They'd gave voted for anyone wearing a red rosette.

16 year olds make mistakes. It looks to me like she's taken responsibility for that mistake and has has subsequently built an impressive life and career. Isn't that what the Tories want working class people do to, take responsibility for their situation and improve their circumstances? I'm mean she's even taken to fibbing and tax dodging to fit in with the other side of the House of Commons, what more do people want?

[barryrs]

I really don’t know how to vote this time around so might just sit it out and what will be will be.

I genuinely think a change from the Tory’s is no bad thing for the country regardless of politics, a change is as good as a rest as my nan used to say. However, I can’t bring myself to vote labour. I could give Keir a chance as he’s clearly intelligent, but the thought of his shadow cabinet on a world stage screams national embarrassment!

[Jordie Barretts sock]

chrispmartha said:

You said she was eye candy for knuckle draggers.

I did. I can see how that could be taken as misogynistic. I apologise. To explain, I meant she was there to appeal to unintelligent male voters. Which, doesn't sound much better!

[bitchstewie]

Castrol for a knave said:

I think a schoolgirl mother, who is probably the next Deputy Prime Minister, is very much a positive. I would say the same if she was a Conservative.

I think Rayner's story is considered the wrong sort of improving your lot and turning your life around or something.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

Castrol for a knave said:

I think a schoolgirl mother, who is probably the next Deputy Prime Minister, is very much a positive. I would say the same if she was a Conservative.

I find it odd that Starmer had no choice in her being imposed on her as deputy. Usually a leader picks his own people.

[chrispmartha]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

chrispmartha said:

You said she was eye candy for knuckle draggers.

I did. I can see how that could be taken as misogynistic. I apologise. To explain, I meant she was there to appeal to unintelligent male voters. Which, doesn't sound much better!

No it doesn’t.

[CivicDuties]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Castrol for a knave said:

I think a schoolgirl mother, who is probably the next Deputy Prime Minister, is very much a positive. I would say the same if she was a Conservative.

I find it odd that Starmer had no choice in her being imposed on her as deputy. Usually a leader picks his own people.

This is the Labour and Co-operative Party, not the Khmer Rouge. It's one of its very limited appealing features that it isn't a dictatorship of 1. Whereas the Conservatives claim to be a "broad church", and then set about purging anyone and everyone who doesn't nod along in a bovine fashion with its Dear Leader.

[valiant]

CivicDuties said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Not true. I'm asking for you (or anyone else) to explain why my comments are misogynistic.

I'll own it if you can explain it.

You've literally explained away her successful political career on her looks and being a mother at a young age. Can that be any simpler?

I don't think I mentioned her looks. I actually said they're irrelevant. I don't see being a schoolgirl mother as a positive.

And the people of Ashton Under Lyme voted Labour I suspect, not for Angela Rayner. They'd gave voted for anyone wearing a red rosette.

16 year olds make mistakes. It looks to me like she's taken responsibility for that mistake and has has subsequently built an impressive life and career. Isn't that what the Tories want working class people do to, take responsibility for their situation and improve their circumstances? I'm mean she's even taken to fibbing and tax dodging to fit in with the other side of the House of Commons, what more do people want?

Quite.

And calling her ‘thick’ is equally poor.

You may not like what she says or what she stands for which is absolutely fine but it takes intelligence, guile and a certain something to raise herself out of the situation she was in and the upbringing she endured that had the odds stacked against her from the very beginning to rise to the position she currently is in.

She is certainly not thick.

You don’t get to be deputy leader of any party by being ‘thick’.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

CivicDuties said:

This is the Labour and Co-operative Party, not the Khmer Rouge. It's one of its very limited appealing features that it isn't a dictatorship of 1. Whereas the Conservatives claim to be a "broad church", and then set about purging anyone and everyone who doesn't nod along in a bovine fashion with its Dear Leader.

I think that's exactly what she does though. She hasn't the sense, wit and intelligence to do anything else. There's a reason why they don't let her do Question Time or breakfast tv interviews on her own.

[lornemalvo]

I shan't be voting, as I don't believe any of them deserves my vote. None of them seem to represent my opinions or values.

[Terry Winks]

valiant said:

You don’t get to be deputy leader of any party by being ‘thick’.

Priti Patel was worryingly close mind

[oyster]

isaldiri said:

princeperch said:

What people want, what it really boils down to is:

1. To be able to pay for an adequately sized and located home and put the heating on every now and then

2. To have the police turn up when their car is nicked or house broken into

3. Be able to get access to healthcare in a reasonable time frame

4. Send their kids to a school that isnt shocking

5. Be able to buy the food required for their needs

6. Be able to go on a holiday every now and then without feeling like they are living in misery and just existing

7. Have some hope for the future, whether it be retirement. Being able to afford to have kids, start a business, buy a house, whatever,.

You also did miss out -

8. Have someone else pay for it

Completely wrong.

All those 7 points are quite reasonable and shouldn't be beyond the aspirations and capability of any government.
Everyone can actually pay for it.

The only reason someone else pays for it, is because we have vast swathes of the wealth in the UK as untaxed. Whether it's pensioners sitting on £hundreds -k's of unearned/untaxed equity, multi-nationals using offshore tax arrangements or HNW individuals paying effective 20% tax rates.

We've just been led to believe that pensioners are poor, multi-nationals will employ less and HNW individuals will emigrate. But we've never actually tested it to find out.

[S600BSB]

valiant said:

CivicDuties said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Evanivitch said:

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Not true. I'm asking for you (or anyone else) to explain why my comments are misogynistic.

I'll own it if you can explain it.

You've literally explained away her successful political career on her looks and being a mother at a young age. Can that be any simpler?

I don't think I mentioned her looks. I actually said they're irrelevant. I don't see being a schoolgirl mother as a positive.

And the people of Ashton Under Lyme voted Labour I suspect, not for Angela Rayner. They'd gave voted for anyone wearing a red rosette.

16 year olds make mistakes. It looks to me like she's taken responsibility for that mistake and has has subsequently built an impressive life and career. Isn't that what the Tories want working class people do to, take responsibility for their situation and improve their circumstances? I'm mean she's even taken to fibbing and tax dodging to fit in with the other side of the House of Commons, what more do people want?

Quite.

And calling her ‘thick’ is equally poor.

You may not like what she says or what she stands for which is absolutely fine but it takes intelligence, guile and a certain something to raise herself out of the situation she was in and the upbringing she endured that had the odds stacked against her from the very beginning to rise to the position she currently is in.

She is certainly not thick.

You don’t get to be deputy leader of any party by being ‘thick’.

Totally agree. Not good.

[CivicDuties]

I think you can be thick and rise all the way to the top of the Conservative Party, because there are far more important factors in that organisation than intelligence.

I mean look at Oliver Dowden and Andrea Jenkyns for starters. Whale omlettes. Ress-Mogg is also startlingly dim when you scratch the surface.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

CivicDuties said:

I think you can be thick and rise all the way to the top of the Conservative Party, because there are far more important factors in that organisation than intelligence.

I mean look at Oliver Dowden and Andrea Jenkyns for starters. Whale omlettes. Ress-Mogg is also startlingly dim when you scratch the surface.

Totally agree. But it isn't limited to Conservatives. Diane Abbott, for example.

[Hants PHer]

valiant said:

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You don’t get to be deputy leader of any party by being ‘thick’.

You say that, but when I watch that interview with Andrew Neil I'm afraid "thick" is exactly the word that applies to Angela Rayner. In my opinion she's a trade union shill who has become deputy leader without displaying any obvious talent. She supported Rebecca Long-Bailey in the 2020 leadership contest; no wonder Sir Keir would happily get rid of her if he could.

[Evanivitch]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Castrol for a knave said:

I think a schoolgirl mother, who is probably the next Deputy Prime Minister, is very much a positive. I would say the same if she was a Conservative.

I find it odd that Starmer had no choice in her being imposed on her as deputy. Usually a leader picks his own people.

And usually in a democracy, people pick their own leaders.

I'm well aware that's not how the parliamentary system works, but the Tory party have had enough chances at imposing their own PM before criticising how Labour pick their deputy.