46th President of the United States, Joe Biden

[anonymous-user]

hidetheelephants said:

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

JeffreyD said:

I find it fascinating that Biden won the most popular vote by a country mile and that the overall turnout was a record - much to be learned by this.

Also worth noting Trump's vote in this election was what, the second highest ever, after Biden? It tells you Trump was not sufficiently unpopular that his vote collapsed and/or that enough people held their noses and voted for Trump to keep Biden out. Biden's mandate in the US is not as clear cut as enjoyed by the Conservatives over here, as his control has much finer margins. Here Boris can, within reason, bring in whatever he likes.

The message from the US election is that the US is split and the centre ground not as powerful as it ought to be. This needs careful handling, as dissatisfaction with the centre ground means people have to move further towards extremes, which doesn't typically end well.

Good job the relief bill has popular support of over 60% then, which begs the question of why republicans are choosing this hill to die on.

I suppose the issues surround non-Covid items and/or disagreements about levels and measures of support contained within it.

Popular support for a proposal isn't always the best measure of its wisdom.

[captain_cynic]

The recent deluge of certain posters have reminded me of a Voltaire quote, "Those that can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities".

The people who still think there was ever any electoral fraud beyond the Republicans attempts at voter disenfranchisement are the epitome not what Voltaire warned us about.

Sadly this is what we have to look forward to for the next 4 years. Absurdities.

Just like in the Obama era they will be looking for any slight, any technicality to lambast Biden whilst expecting everyone to ignore both how absurd it is and that their Messiah has done far worse.

They're butthurt that in 1 month, Biden has accomplished more as the US president than Trump did in 4 years. Expect that butthurt to get worse and the scale of absurdity to escalate with it.

Edited by captain_cynic on Tuesday 2nd March 12:53

[Countdown]

PRTVR said:

I don't know, I find some things strange , the changes to the requirements for ballot papers, like no signature verification required in some states, that the rust belt voted for Biden with his anti fossil fuel stance, that some counties had a voter turn out of 80% when historically it's been under 40%,
Why maricopa supervisors agreed to an audit, then proceed to put multiple blocks in the way, it really gives the impression that they have something to hide.
we only have to mention tower hamlets and postal ballots to understand the problems inherent in the system.

- changes in signature verification was something which (AIUI) was approved by the State legislatures. Seems a bit "sour grapes" to complain about it now
- I can't believe that 74m people voted for Trump. That doesn't mean there were 74m cases of fraud
- Voter turnout completely not a surprise given how motivated both sides were

Actually Tower Hamlets is probably a good example of our own version of Trump. A corrupt narcissist who rewards his supporters once he gets elected. I've absolutely no doubt that Mr Rahman views the PwC investigation as a "WITCH HUNT" and "FAKE NEWS"

[paulguitar]

Vanden Saab said:

FTFY
Or are you seriously suggesting that the Democrats or anybody posting in the Trump thread for the last 4 years actually accepted the Trump victory and did not suggest it was rigged because you know, it is all there in black and white.

You appear to be demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding here, Senor Saab.

I do not think anyone suggested that during the 2016 election, suitcases full of votes were 'found', voting machines hacked remotely en masse from Italy, thousands of deceased folks voted, etc, etc, although I am happy to be corrected if you have evidence otherwise...

However, a significant and well-organized Russian campaign to interfere with the election was uncovered, and subsequently, a Senate report was carried out, which was led by Republicans. This showed overwhelming evidence that the concerns were well-founded.

Did you somehow mix up those two situations?

[AW111]

paulguitar said:

Vanden Saab said:

FTFY
Or are you seriously suggesting that the Democrats or anybody posting in the Trump thread for the last 4 years actually accepted the Trump victory and did not suggest it was rigged because you know, it is all there in black and white.

You appear to be demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding here, Senor Saab.

I do not think anyone suggested that during the 2016 election, suitcases full of votes were 'found', voting machines hacked remotely en masse from Italy, thousands of deceased folks voted, etc, etc, although I am happy to be corrected if you have evidence otherwise...

However, a significant and well-organized Russian campaign to interfere with the election was uncovered, and subsequently, a Senate report was carried out, which was led by Republicans. This showed overwhelming evidence that the concerns were well-founded.

Did you somehow mix up those two situations?

If you think Saaby is arguing in good faith you're either very naïve, or haven't read many of his other posts.

[Crook]

This seems like a huge missed opportunity and a great way to disillusion all those who hoped Biden would move forward with a more progressive agenda:
Bailing on $15 minimum wage?

I find it so hard to understand how the US manages to be so completely against the best interests of its own people.

[kowalski655]

Crook said:

This seems like a huge missed opportunity and a great way to disillusion all those who hoped Biden would move forward with a more progressive agenda:
Bailing on $15 minimum wage?

I find it so hard to understand how the US manages to be so completely against the best interests of its own people.

Because bailing on the minimum wage IS in the interests of the wealthy

[PRTVR]

Countdown said:

PRTVR said:

I don't know, I find some things strange , the changes to the requirements for ballot papers, like no signature verification required in some states, that the rust belt voted for Biden with his anti fossil fuel stance, that some counties had a voter turn out of 80% when historically it's been under 40%,
Why maricopa supervisors agreed to an audit, then proceed to put multiple blocks in the way, it really gives the impression that they have something to hide.
we only have to mention tower hamlets and postal ballots to understand the problems inherent in the system.

- changes in signature verification was something which (AIUI) was approved by the State legislatures. Seems a bit "sour grapes" to complain about it now
- I can't believe that 74m people voted for Trump. That doesn't mean there were 74m cases of fraud
- Voter turnout completely not a surprise given how motivated both sides were

Actually Tower Hamlets is probably a good example of our own version of Trump. A corrupt narcissist who rewards his supporters once he gets elected. I've absolutely no doubt that Mr Rahman views the PwC investigation as a "WITCH HUNT" and "FAKE NEWS"

I struggle to understand how anyone could think that the changes made were not for political reasons and possible illegal.
Here is a view of what happened in Pennsylvania.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/07...

[gregs656]

PRTVR said:

I struggle to understand how anyone could think that the changes made were not for political reasons and possible illegal.
Here is a view of what happened in Pennsylvania.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/07...

A view from someone who endorsed Trump (after a fashion) and Ted Cruz.

Possibly not the most neutral overview.

[JeffreyD]

gregs656 said:

A view from someone who endorsed Trump (after a fashion) and Ted Cruz.

Possibly not the most neutral overview.

What did the Court case say about it?

[HM-2]

gregs656 said:

PRTVR said:

I struggle to understand how anyone could think that the changes made were not for political reasons and possible illegal.
Here is a view of what happened in Pennsylvania.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/07...

A view from someone who endorsed Trump (after a fashion) and Ted Cruz.

Possibly not the most neutral overview.

Realclearpolitics' editorial stance has lurched massively right in recent years, too. It's sister outlet, The Federalist, has spent the last year or so spreading Covid-19 misinformation and pro-Trump conspiracy theories.

[Countdown]

PRTVR said:

I struggle to understand how anyone could think that the changes made were not for political reasons and possible illegal.
Here is a view of what happened in Pennsylvania.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/07...

A couple of points;

Firstly Mark Levin makes Farage look sensible/middle of the road. He’s a Conservative Loon and not averse to Conspiracy theories. Secondly, as even he accepts in his op-Ed the legislatures which approved the changes were almost wholly Republican so which Political reasons/ goals were they trying to achieve?

[PRTVR]

gregs656 said:

PRTVR said:

I struggle to understand how anyone could think that the changes made were not for political reasons and possible illegal.
Here is a view of what happened in Pennsylvania.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/07...

A view from someone who endorsed Trump (after a fashion) and Ted Cruz.

Possibly not the most neutral overview.

Do you think its a good idea to allow ballot papers without recognisable signatures ?
As I said earlier everything in America is polarised.

[Crafty_]

Crook said:

This seems like a huge missed opportunity and a great way to disillusion all those who hoped Biden would move forward with a more progressive agenda:
Bailing on $15 minimum wage?

I find it so hard to understand how the US manages to be so completely against the best interests of its own people.

Wishful thinking from the author, who is affiliated with Sanders, the main voice behind the wage hike.
Democrats don't even have the 51 vote majority, let alone the 60 votes they now need since the Senate ruling - the White House can't magic senate votes out of thin air.

Joe Manchin does minimum wage increases, but only to $11, not 15, He won't vote for $15, nor will Sinema. Even if they did there is more wrangling to get the matter through the house thanks to the ruling.

In terms of working against the people I think part of the problem is that they've got multiple levels of beaurocracy and rules, none of whixh is designed to work together - all created at one time or another to serve a purpose for a given situation only for it to later tie them in knots.

Democrats did have a plan B, which was to impose a tax surcharge on companies not paying $15, but thats now been abandoned.

[silentbrown]

PRTVR said:

Do you think its a good idea to allow ballot papers without recognisable signatures ?

When did you last sign a ballot paper?

Tell me about the 40% to 80% turnout increase. Where was that?

[rscott]

PRTVR said:

gregs656 said:

PRTVR said:

I struggle to understand how anyone could think that the changes made were not for political reasons and possible illegal.
Here is a view of what happened in Pennsylvania.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/12/07...

A view from someone who endorsed Trump (after a fashion) and Ted Cruz.

Possibly not the most neutral overview.

Do you think its a good idea to allow ballot papers without recognisable signatures ?
As I said earlier everything in America is polarised.

Well 20 states don't require it - https://campaignlegal.org/update/signature-matchin...

So if it's a problem, it affects several Republican states too.

[928 GTS]

purplepenguin said:

Not keen on my enquiry idea then? Moon landing thing is just a poor deflection and doesn’t answer the question.

Moon landing thing is not a deflection. Its illustration on how moronic many Trump supporters are. No matter who does what only result they will accept is Trump victory. Votes can be counted 1000 more times and nothing changes as long as result doesn't change. And it will not change when count is done properly. It was already done properly and they can't accept result. Seems this includes you also.

[anonymous-user]

Crafty_ said:

Wishful thinking from the author, who is affiliated with Sanders, the main voice behind the wage hike.
Democrats don't even have the 51 vote majority, let alone the 60 votes they now need since the Senate ruling - the White House can't magic senate votes out of thin air.

Joe Manchin does minimum wage increases, but only to $11, not 15, He won't vote for $15, nor will Sinema. Even if they did there is more wrangling to get the matter through the house thanks to the ruling.

In terms of working against the people I think part of the problem is that they've got multiple levels of beaurocracy and rules, none of whixh is designed to work together - all created at one time or another to serve a purpose for a given situation only for it to later tie them in knots.

Democrats did have a plan B, which was to impose a tax surcharge on companies not paying $15, but thats now been abandoned.

It seems Biden specifically promised a $15 minimum wage, but now refuses to deliver it.

I wonder how many other promises he'll abandon?

[JeffreyD]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

t seems Biden specifically promised a $15 minimum wage, but now refuses to deliver it.

I wonder how many other promises he'll abandon?

Is he refusing to deliver or unable to?
Can he issue an executive order for this?


And I presume this is down to the filibuster promise by the Republicans?

Three questions, no answers. Sorry about that.

[anonymous-user]

JeffreyD said:

Is he refusing to deliver or unable to?
Can he issue an executive order for this?


And I presume this is down to the filibuster promise by the Republicans?

Three questions, no answers. Sorry about that.

When a politician seeking votes promises to deliver something in return, the electorate is entitled to expect two things; firstly that if he receives the votes he will be in a position to deliver and secondly, in that position, he will.

Biden made a promise, people voted for him on that basis, and in little over a month the pledge is dust.