TFL Tube Strikes
Discussion
sidicks said:
And that's primarily due to a Union resistance rather than practicalities.
Partially, yes. The intention is to move to driverless and that's being actively pursued.One of the principle issues is trespass. We don't have an enclosed network like most of Paris metro, for example.
iphonedyou said:
Partially, yes. The intention is to move to driverless and that's being actively pursued.
One of the principle issues is trespass. We don't have an enclosed network like most of Paris metro, for example.
Enclosed?One of the principle issues is trespass. We don't have an enclosed network like most of Paris metro, for example.
Do you mean like the Jubilee, but in every London station?
Hol said:
Enclosed?
Do you mean like the Jubilee, but in every London station?
Well only the Jubilee Line extensio (retrofitting platform edge doors is very difficult, though will be done eventually). But no, not really. I really mean the long open sections of track that can be easily accessed if so inclined.Do you mean like the Jubilee, but in every London station?
iphonedyou said:
No. But then, I never sugggested I could.
My original comment wasn't aimed at you (check back and see who I quoted).Edited by iphonedyou on Friday 10th October 08:31
You involved yourself when you missed the point - no worries, you agree it isn't going to happen within the timescale the ToryGraph like to mention.
Have a look at the Crossrail project or the DLR - look at cost and timescales starting at the planning stage moving onto start of service.
Then double that timescale and cost as LUL isn't a clean sheet project.
Then, you'll be within 5 years of this actually happening.
I'd hazard a guess we'll have at least three changes of Government before completion (with all the political games that entails).
The only thing that won't change is the same old moaners continuing to moan (whilst getting older...).
The most vocal will be those with the least understanding of what's involved (as is the PH way) and this thread will reek with envy from those either too stupid or too lazy too apply for a job that pays so much for doing so little with an excellent pension and annual leave a primary teacher would be jealous of.
Probably.
Ok. I just wanted to understand, as it wasnt clear.Mario149 said:
Why are they only advertised internally?
Dependant on company, TOC or FOC, train driving is in the 'line of promotion'.It works for both employees and employers - those at the start of their career have clear lines of promotion whilst employers have knowledge of reliability and dependability of candidates.
Get in quick - it will all be automated in a few months times apparently
legzr1 said:
Mario149 said:
Why are they only advertised internally?
Dependant on company, TOC or FOC, train driving is in the 'line of promotion'.It works for both employees and employers - those at the start of their career have clear lines of promotion whilst employers have knowledge of reliability and dependability of candidates.
Get in quick - it will all be automated in a few months times apparently
Mario149 said:
Thanks for the answer. Hmmm...."line of promotion" sounds a bit dodgy and archaic to me. I can understand how some professions require lines of promotion (e.g. military), but driving a train is not one of them in my book. While I'm sure there are some transferrable skills between say a LU manager and your next possible promotion which might be to become a driver say, I think closing it down to only internal people is potentially going to limit your available talent to give the job to, as well as making it look a bit "closed shop" which when you add union action to, leaves a distinctly bad impression.
Really?You don't say.....
What a Fckedu up workforce where unions have simply ruled for far too long!
At my local stn, Warwick Avenue, I recognise the staff despite using it maybe once or twice a month. If they are in a good move - great! If not, I remember why I have my thoughts..... And I don't ever get on the damn thing during tush hour so they are hardly stressed and under pressure
Mario149 said:
Thanks for the answer. Hmmm...."line of promotion" sounds a bit dodgy and archaic to me. I can understand how some professions require lines of promotion (e.g. military), but driving a train is not one of them in my book. While I'm sure there are some transferrable skills between say a LU manager and your next possible promotion which might be to become a driver say, I think closing it down to only internal people is potentially going to limit your available talent to give the job to, as well as making it look a bit "closed shop" which when you add union action to, leaves a distinctly bad impression.
It's a shame you feel that way but it's what I hear quite often from people outside the industry with no real knowledge of how things are done.There is no 'closed shop' or 'jobs for the boys'.
Because of the safety critical nature of the role there are lots of interviews, tests and exams to pass before even being considered for the role all overseen by a Government agency.
There are no shortcuts - that goes for internal as well as external vacancies.
You're allowed two attempts at the 'exam' - fail one and you wait six months for another try - fail the second and that's the end.
Most companies advertise externally too - if you're interested check out their respective websites.
As I said earlier, it's a system that works and has been proven over many decades - station staff on £20K a year know that doing a good job reliably and safely stands them in good stead for a decent shot at a drivers vacancy eventually.
Employers can judge candidates on years of service rather than a CV, a dodgy reference and 60 minutes interviews.
legzr1 said:
Mario149 said:
Thanks for the answer. Hmmm...."line of promotion" sounds a bit dodgy and archaic to me. I can understand how some professions require lines of promotion (e.g. military), but driving a train is not one of them in my book. While I'm sure there are some transferrable skills between say a LU manager and your next possible promotion which might be to become a driver say, I think closing it down to only internal people is potentially going to limit your available talent to give the job to, as well as making it look a bit "closed shop" which when you add union action to, leaves a distinctly bad impression.
It's a shame you feel that way but it's what I hear quite often from people outside the industry with no real knowledge of how things are done.There is no 'closed shop' or 'jobs for the boys'.
Because of the safety critical nature of the role there are lots of interviews, tests and exams to pass before even being considered for the role all overseen by a Government agency.
There are no shortcuts - that goes for internal as well as external vacancies.
You're allowed two attempts at the 'exam' - fail one and you wait six months for another try - fail the second and that's the end.
Most companies advertise externally too - if you're interested check out their respective websites.
As I said earlier, it's a system that works and has been proven over many decades - station staff on £20K a year know that doing a good job reliably and safely stands them in good stead for a decent shot at a drivers vacancy eventually.
Employers can judge candidates on years of service rather than a CV, a dodgy reference and 60 minutes interviews.
"it's a system that works and has been proven over many decades - station staff on £20K a year know that doing a good job reliably and safely stands them in good stead for a decent shot at a drivers vacancy eventually."
I am just not sure who it works best for? Us or them! (Deliberate use of that last phrase
)And are you really suggesting that allowing a Union (especially under the dear late Mr Crow) to strike over safety concerns regularly, bringing an awful lot of London to a halt and disrupting the lives of millions is a good status quo? Especially when it is rarely (if ever) about safety as we all well know!!!
I am not quite as sure as you I am afraid
Relatively speaking, the railway is a safe place to embark on a journey and every vacancy attracts 300-500 candidates.
I'd say it works best for all.
Bob is dead and the vast majority of drivers are members of Aslef, not RMT.
I'm suggesting that it is the right of any individual to (legally) withdraw labour if that's what the majority have voted in favour of.
Are you suggesting that striking should be banned for any profession that could interrupt the commute of a typical Londoner?
Perspective please
I'd say it works best for all.
Bob is dead and the vast majority of drivers are members of Aslef, not RMT.
I'm suggesting that it is the right of any individual to (legally) withdraw labour if that's what the majority have voted in favour of.
Are you suggesting that striking should be banned for any profession that could interrupt the commute of a typical Londoner?
Perspective please
legzr1 said:
Relatively speaking, the railway is a safe place to embark on a journey and every vacancy attracts 300-500 candidates.
So supply and demand should dictate that wages fall significantly....legzr1 said:
I'd say it works best for all.
Bob is dead and the vast majority of drivers are members of Aslef, not RMT.
I'm suggesting that it is the right of any individual to (legally) withdraw labour if that's what the majority have voted in favour of.
Are you suggesting that striking should be banned for any profession that could interrupt the commute of a typical Londoner?
Perspective please
Where those providers are in a monopoly position so that there is no alternative for customers that doesn't seem very sensible or fair....Bob is dead and the vast majority of drivers are members of Aslef, not RMT.
I'm suggesting that it is the right of any individual to (legally) withdraw labour if that's what the majority have voted in favour of.
Are you suggesting that striking should be banned for any profession that could interrupt the commute of a typical Londoner?
Perspective please
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 11th October 18:57
It's always possible to withdraw labour, regardless of any vote.
If any individual in any employment position is dissatisfied with their pay and conditions they can always resign and get another job.
Just don't mention low employability as it's somebody else's fault and the barely employable are victims of society after all.
If any individual in any employment position is dissatisfied with their pay and conditions they can always resign and get another job.
Just don't mention low employability as it's somebody else's fault and the barely employable are victims of society after all.
sidicks said:
So supply and demand should dictate that wages fall significantly....
Perhaps it irks to know that wages have trebled (and quadrupled in the case of some FOC companies)and 100% pensionable pay is the norm in an industry that was publically owned a couple of decades ago.sidicks said:
Where those providers are in a monopoly position so that there is no alternative for customers that doesn't seem very sensible or fair....
No alternative?Edited by sidicks on Saturday 11th October 18:57
Walk, limp, jog, run, sprint, ride, drive, bus, taxi, move closer to work, work closer to home.
I've probably missed a few
turbobloke said:
It's always possible to withdraw labour, regardless of any vote.
If any individual in any employment position is dissatisfied with their pay and conditions they can always resign and get another job.
Just don't mention low employability as it's somebody else's fault and the barely employable are victims of society after all.
Spoken like a true PH Director.If any individual in any employment position is dissatisfied with their pay and conditions they can always resign and get another job.
Just don't mention low employability as it's somebody else's fault and the barely employable are victims of society after all.
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