13yr old killed in F50
Discussion
hyphen said:
ezi said:
fblm said:
Living with the fact that you'd accidentally killed someone must be a horrible punishment of it's self but weaseling out of taking responsibility loses my sympathy entirely.
Personally I feel for the guy, many people in his situation wouldn't give the kid time of day but he tried to give him an experience and it bit them both in the arse, he'll think about this every day for the rest of his life and never forgive himself for the consequences.Prosecuting him isn't going to bring the kid back, nor is this bloke, I would imagine, likely to do this incident again, so not sure what the point is of the trial. One off accident surely and the bloke has to live with what happened.
Chebble said:
If he’s no previous, he might not get a custodial sentence at all, probably a suspended sentence.
Let us hope so.chow pan toon said:
ould you be saying the same if it was a chav crashing his Corsa showing off?
This was a 39 year old man, who appears to not have any prior, as opposed to the stereotypical 25 year old who crashes his Corsa and kills his 16 year old 'bird' whilst undertaking a silly overtake at night on a country road.Speaking as a parent, I couldn't imagine the grief I would go through if that had been my son, but I wouldn't want the bloke going to Jail over it as it wouldn't serve any purpose, an extended driving ban at most - not wearing seatbelts was madness, but I imagine he won't himself or allowing others to do that again in a care he is driving.
This is all under the assumption that the guy is a decent bloke who had it all go wrong this day, as opposed to a known reckless individual who was an accident waiting to happen.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 19th February 23:03
hyphen said:
Prosecuting him isn't going to bring the kid back, nor is this bloke, I would imagine, likely to do this incident again, so not sure what the point is of the trial. One off accident surely and the bloke has to live with what happened.
You'd say the same if it was your son yes?And say a week later, you saw him driving along in another supercar just getting on with his life, you'd not bat an eyelid?
hyphen said:
This was a 39 year old man, who appears to not have any prior, as opposed to the stereotypical 25 year old who crashes his Corsa and kills his 16 year old 'bird' whilst undertaking a silly overtake at night on a country road.
Speaking as a parent, I couldn't imagine the grief I would go through if that had been my son, but I wouldn't want the bloke going to Jail over it as it wouldn't serve any purpose, an extended driving ban at most - not wearing seatbelts was madness, but I imagine he won't himself or allowing others to do that again in a care he is driving.
This is all under the assumption that the guy is a decent bloke who had it all go wrong this day, as opposed to a known reckless individual who was an accident waiting to happen.
Incredible.Speaking as a parent, I couldn't imagine the grief I would go through if that had been my son, but I wouldn't want the bloke going to Jail over it as it wouldn't serve any purpose, an extended driving ban at most - not wearing seatbelts was madness, but I imagine he won't himself or allowing others to do that again in a care he is driving.
This is all under the assumption that the guy is a decent bloke who had it all go wrong this day, as opposed to a known reckless individual who was an accident waiting to happen.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 19th February 23:03
All sympathy went out of the window when he claimed there was a fault with the car. The prick should have held his hands up and admitted talent ran out before he got in the car.
He should also make it possible for his 13 year old passenger to wear a seat belt. If he had they both would have walked away.
If it was my kid, or indeed my car, I’d be hoping for a long sentence where he is guaranteed to be made in to a well endowed mans b
h.
He should also make it possible for his 13 year old passenger to wear a seat belt. If he had they both would have walked away.
If it was my kid, or indeed my car, I’d be hoping for a long sentence where he is guaranteed to be made in to a well endowed mans b
h. Gameface said:
Why is a custodial sentence so abhorrent to you?
His actions caused the death of a child.
It isn't abhorrent. His actions caused the death of a child.
Punishment has to have a purpose? This appears to be a one off freak accident resulting from a good deed, so what purpose would a custodial sentence serve?
Deterrence? Not really.
incapacitation? Unlikely to do this again so nope.
Rehabilitation? Assuming he will be insisting on seatbelt all around and not driving in a similar manner again so nope.
Retribution - Each to their own, but this bloke being locked up wouldn't reduce my grief
Restitution - the UK isn't some 3rd world county where the killer pays a family to reduce his sentence.
There was no intention to cause harm, it was an accident.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 19th February 23:36
Was watching a report on the local news about the case. Had a shot of the defendant and his lawyer walking towards the court.
Now, they could have said the defendant was the man on the left.
They could have said the defendant was the man in the black coat.
But no
They sid the defendant was the " man..... with ginger hair!"
Now, they could have said the defendant was the man on the left.
They could have said the defendant was the man in the black coat.
But no
They sid the defendant was the " man..... with ginger hair!"
hyphen said:
Gameface said:
Why is a custodial sentence so abhorrent to you?
His actions caused the death of a child.
It isn't abhorrent. His actions caused the death of a child.
Punishment has to have a purpose? This appears to be a one off freak accident resulting from a good deed, so what purpose would a custodial sentence serve?
Deterrence? Not really.
incapacitation? Unlikely to do this again so nope.
Rehabilitation? Assuming he will be insisting on seatbelt all around and not driving in a similar manner again so nope.
Retribution - Each to their own, but this bloke being locked up wouldn't reduce my grief
Restitution - the UK isn't some 3rd world county where the killer pays a family to reduce his sentence.
There was no intention to cause harm, it was an accident.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 19th February 23:36
He’s a father himself
He’s an obvious Petrolhead given his line of work
He’s got the keys to the toy shop and all the toys in it
He goes to do a great thing - give a young boy a ride in an F50, amazing.
Not getting him to belt up was incredibly stupid, as was giving it the biggun and losing control.
If he does get guilty/jail time it will be to stop others being so careless in future.
hyphen said:
chow pan toon said:
ould you be saying the same if it was a chav crashing his Corsa showing off?
This was a 39 year old man, who appears to not have any prior, as opposed to the stereotypical 25 year old who crashes his Corsa and kills his 16 year old 'bird' whilst undertaking a silly overtake at night on a country road.Speaking as a parent, I couldn't imagine the grief I would go through if that had been my son, but I wouldn't want the bloke going to Jail over it as it wouldn't serve any purpose, an extended driving ban at most - not wearing seatbelts was madness, but I imagine he won't himself or allowing others to do that again in a care he is driving.
This is all under the assumption that the guy is a decent bloke who had it all go wrong this day, as opposed to a known reckless individual who was an accident waiting to happen.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 19th February 23:03
greygoose said:
Depends what you class a decent bloke as I guess, managing to crash on a lane resulting in your passenger's death, not bothering with seat belts and trashing someone else's car suggest a reckless individual to me. I can see no difference at all between him and a chav in a corsa, they should both go to prison as justice should not just be doled out to the poor.
Quite right. And denial of responsibility. Only he was driving the car. Take responsibility and don't drag the mother through a trial. hyphen said:
chow pan toon said:
Incredible.
Thank you, I like to think I am 
So you would want this bloke in Jail for 5 years with no Parole for a freak accident?
hyphen said:
chow pan toon said:
ould you be saying the same if it was a chav crashing his Corsa showing off?
This was a 39 year old man, who appears to not have any prior, as opposed to the stereotypical 25 year old who crashes his Corsa and kills his 16 year old 'bird' whilst undertaking a silly overtake at night on a country road.This is probably more of a stereotypical Death by Careless : http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/16031609.driver-...
PurpleTurtle said:
hyphen said:
Gameface said:
Why is a custodial sentence so abhorrent to you?
His actions caused the death of a child.
It isn't abhorrent. His actions caused the death of a child.
Punishment has to have a purpose? This appears to be a one off freak accident resulting from a good deed, so what purpose would a custodial sentence serve?
Deterrence? Not really.
incapacitation? Unlikely to do this again so nope.
Rehabilitation? Assuming he will be insisting on seatbelt all around and not driving in a similar manner again so nope.
Retribution - Each to their own, but this bloke being locked up wouldn't reduce my grief
Restitution - the UK isn't some 3rd world county where the killer pays a family to reduce his sentence.
There was no intention to cause harm, it was an accident.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 19th February 23:36
He’s a father himself
He’s an obvious Petrolhead given his line of work
He’s got the keys to the toy shop and all the toys in it
He goes to do a great thing - give a young boy a ride in an F50, amazing.
Not getting him to belt up was incredibly stupid, as was giving it the biggun and losing control.
If he does get guilty/jail time it will be to stop others being so careless in future.
However, yes he also has to take responsibility for his actions. A child died. Reports of not wearing seatbelts is not good, was the driving irresponsible for the condition of the road? It wasn't his car - should he have offered the ride?
A lot of pictures shown in court yesterday are in the press today...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/horror-pictu...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/horror-pictu...
chow pan toon said:
hen you let kids into your car with no seatbelt...
Lot of mention on here and in the press of sea belts, but does the F50 have a seatbelt or a full harness? As suspect the latter and was more a mentality of "only a quick drive around a field, so let's not go to trouble of adjusting it all" as opposed to never wearing seatbelts.Depends how much the bloke now regrets this I suppose.
PurpleTurtle said:
I think you’re missing the point on a custodial (not) being a deterrent - obviously this bloke isn’t going to do it again. It’s to deter other people from making the same mistake.
Anyone who read the news will have learnt from his mistake surely though, if they didn't, then I imagine they will be too stupid to be deterred by the outcome of the trial.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff