CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 13)
Discussion
RacerMike said:
It is true abroad. As of next week no masks outside required in Spain, and pubs/bars as of last Sat could open until their licensed time. When I was there with work 2 weeks ago, there were basically zero restrictions to normal life now apart from masks. Also, Germans can also travel for holidays anywhere within Europe, as can most other Europeans.
Well if they come here they have to quarantine for 10 days so that’s far from back to normal. Plus our pubs have been able to open til there licenced time for months and we’ve never had to wear masks outside so it’s not a great example is it.
NewBod said:
Another anecdotal high five to the NHS.
My wife injured her eye a few weeks ago. Went to the local urgent treatment centre the next morning. They looked at it straight away (can't fault them for that) and said you need to leave it a few days and see how it goes. If it's still not cleared up, contact your GP.
Two weeks later, her eye is still blurry so she called the GP earlier. They won't see her until she can have a phone appointment. Next phone appointment is next week. Eh? She needs a physical examination.
My wife told the surgery everything that has happened and said she needs to be seen for someone to look at it. Nope said the GP surgery. Phone appointment only.
I can see us taking her to A&E or the UTC again. What an absolute waste of urgent treatment resources. What shocking behaviour by the GP.
That reminds me, I must file my complaint about the GP with the health ombudsman. This episode has given me more reason to do it now.
Yeah, that's appalling. Do complain.My wife injured her eye a few weeks ago. Went to the local urgent treatment centre the next morning. They looked at it straight away (can't fault them for that) and said you need to leave it a few days and see how it goes. If it's still not cleared up, contact your GP.
Two weeks later, her eye is still blurry so she called the GP earlier. They won't see her until she can have a phone appointment. Next phone appointment is next week. Eh? She needs a physical examination.
My wife told the surgery everything that has happened and said she needs to be seen for someone to look at it. Nope said the GP surgery. Phone appointment only.
I can see us taking her to A&E or the UTC again. What an absolute waste of urgent treatment resources. What shocking behaviour by the GP.
That reminds me, I must file my complaint about the GP with the health ombudsman. This episode has given me more reason to do it now.
"A&E is overwhelmed! We must lockdown". I wonder why?
johnboy1975 said:
Well there's precious little footage of other countries.....except the football. On that note, do you think the full stadia in Denmark and Bulgaria have prompted the government to increase Wembley's capacity from 25k to 65k? Would Nicola Sturgeon have done the same if Scotland had qualified? Alas, we will never know....
I think that will be Gazprom, VW, Uefa etc telling them thats what the capacity is going to be....RacerMike said:
It is true abroad. As of next week no masks outside required in Spain, and pubs/bars as of last Sat could open until their licensed time. When I was there with work 2 weeks ago, there were basically zero restrictions to normal life now apart from masks. Also, Germans can also travel for holidays anywhere within Europe, as can most other Europeans.
So it is true abraod, eh......well from next week............in a different country to the one cited in the post............and also true in another country different to the on cited...........apart from masks.........Yup, nailed it!
There are plenty of restrictions in Italy, it is far more restrictive than the UK with regards to masks.
Here is an example of the rules for Italy; There's plenty of rules on who can and cant enter, quaratine, testing etc. But assuming you are there and clear of that, the main ones relate to what you can and cannot do and masks, distancing etc.
Updated in accordance with Decree-Law no. 143 dated 17 June 2021 and the Ministry of Health Order dated 18 June 2021. Measures valid until 30 July 2021.
FACE MASK AND DISTANCING
Throughout Italy, it is mandatory to wear a mask in public places indoors. The mask is also mandatory outdoors, except in cases where you are isolated from people who do not live togethet. In Lazio it is mandatory to wear a mask outdoors in any situation.
Those who are not required to wear masks:
- people who are carrying out sports activities
- children under the age of 6
- people with disabilities or conditions incompatible with the use of a mask; carers or care workers are not obliged to wear masks, in the event that the mask makes it impossible to interact between carers/care workers and persons with disabilities. The use of the mask is also recommended inside houses, in the presence of non-cohabiting people.
It is mandatory to maintain the safe distance of at least one metre from non-cohabiting people.
Some squares or streets may be closed to the public throughout the day or at certain time slots to avoid gatherings. Access to these squares or streets is allowed only to reach open shops and private houses.
It is recommended to limit travel, by public or private transport, for reasons of work, study, health, for reasons of necessity or to take advantage of services not suspended.
It is also recommended to download the Immuni app, created by the Ministry of Health and the Minister of Technological Innovation to limit the spread of Covid-19.
There is also lots about the use of the EU Digital Covid Certificate, as well as Covid Tested Flights etc.
As the other poster said, it is utter horses
t that there are no restrictions in Italy. Masks indoors AND outdoors, down to age 7 inclusive... Major scientific breakthrough in Ireland:
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0623/1230...
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0623/1230...
RTE said:
Maintaining a healthy weight, exercising, being Vitamin D sufficient, moderating alcohol consumption and not smoking all have beneficial effects on general health and may reduce the risk of poor outcomes from Covid-19, the health watchdog has said
I for one am completely surprised by this new developmentElysium said:
Major scientific breakthrough in Ireland:
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0623/1230...
Nah. Far too much work involved with that. Too hard to monetise too.https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0623/1230...
RTE said:
Maintaining a healthy weight, exercising, being Vitamin D sufficient, moderating alcohol consumption and not smoking all have beneficial effects on general health and may reduce the risk of poor outcomes from Covid-19, the health watchdog has said
I for one am completely surprised by this new developmentJust get the vaccine.
Elysium said:
Major scientific breakthrough in Ireland:
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0623/1230...
Sounds like more anti-vax rhetoric to me. I hope that article gets pulled for misinformation https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0623/1230...
RTE said:
Maintaining a healthy weight, exercising, being Vitamin D sufficient, moderating alcohol consumption and not smoking all have beneficial effects on general health and may reduce the risk of poor outcomes from Covid-19, the health watchdog has said
I for one am completely surprised by this new developmentDarth Paul said:
basherX said:
Elysium said:
I am waiting for Delta squared.
I think they've co-opted Gillette's marketing team. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9715877/I...
Turns out its been here since April and has done three quarters of f
k all. Good job we banned travel to Portugal eh?
Alucidnation said:
Prisoner 24601 said:
The thought that it hasn’t come across a government agency is inconceivable, of course it has. If there are agents employed to go into battle on Twitter, then why not here?
Because there is no such thing as a government agent.https://www.mi5.gov.uk/faq/how-can-i-become-an-mi5...
NewBod said:
madbadger said:
NewBod said:
johnboy1975 said:
Party political broadcast from the vaccine party on now 
Can you provide a summary for those who us who refuse to watch it? They did show the graphs that show everyone who needs it has had it (by some margin) but didn’t mention that bit.
madbadger said:
NewBod said:
madbadger said:
NewBod said:
johnboy1975 said:
Party political broadcast from the vaccine party on now
Can you provide a summary for those who us who refuse to watch it? They did show the graphs that show everyone who needs it has had it (by some margin) but didn’t mention that bit.
Elysium said:
Major scientific breakthrough in Ireland:
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0623/1230...
Great to see, although the part about smoking isn't entirely accurate. Yes, quitting smoking will improve general health, but from most of the research I've seen so far, it won't reduce the risk of a poor outcome from CV-19 - in fact it is more likely to increase it. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0623/1230...
RTE said:
Maintaining a healthy weight, exercising, being Vitamin D sufficient, moderating alcohol consumption and not smoking all have beneficial effects on general health and may reduce the risk of poor outcomes from Covid-19, the health watchdog has said
I for one am completely surprised by this new developmenthttps://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2021/04/s...
In fact, other than the vaccines, it seems the best prophylactic we have against CV-19, even after all this time, is a packet of Marlboro.
Here's are some questions our 'free press' should be asking and telling us on the daily TV and radio news updates on Covid deaths:
- How many of the 5-10 daily 'Covid deaths' we are being told are happening right now are 'with' not 'because' of Covid?
- What is the age profile of these fatalities (I suspect the very old)?
- Did they have underlying health conditions?
- How people many died in the UK in total on that particular day (it will be between 1, 500 - 2, 000)?
- What were the percentages (and numbers) of cause of death of these from cancer, heart disease etc?
Why after 18 months of this sh*t is the media still playing numbers games with us, and isolating any deaths from Covid from any form of context or reasonable explanation?
This whole sh*tshow really stinks....
- How many of the 5-10 daily 'Covid deaths' we are being told are happening right now are 'with' not 'because' of Covid?
- What is the age profile of these fatalities (I suspect the very old)?
- Did they have underlying health conditions?
- How people many died in the UK in total on that particular day (it will be between 1, 500 - 2, 000)?
- What were the percentages (and numbers) of cause of death of these from cancer, heart disease etc?
Why after 18 months of this sh*t is the media still playing numbers games with us, and isolating any deaths from Covid from any form of context or reasonable explanation?
This whole sh*tshow really stinks....
Nickgnome said:
basherX said:
Irrespective of views on lockdown and the efficacy of not of masks (especially outside) I find that such a sad image. Our oldest people are living out their lives in fear. People who've worked their whole lives and should be enjoying the fruits of that labour have been terrified by the messages emanating from government. Similarly our children are being taught that contact with other people is something to fear and avoid.
It's a horrible way to live.
It may not be necessary but have you discussed this with them or are you just projecting your view?It's a horrible way to live.
I see very few here but when working in London a decade ago I regularly saw tourist from the Far East wearing masks all the time. It was extremely common.
My GF here is a language teacher and her S Korean student said it is considered mannerly to wear a mask if infected even with a cold.
Different mindset.
BTW I worked for Intel and guess what we had to wear in the Clean Room all day long?
Plenty of people wear a face covering when skiing in cold conditions.
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