Jacob Rees-Mogg
Discussion
Alpinestars said:
So you made the figures up?
What service industries? And why is they not protected by the NMW?
I'm in Norfolk, lots of the people I know are farmers. Fruit picking issues were discussed this year as they had real problem getting staff. Wage was not an issue, we were taking the piss saying if you pay bugger all you want get any workers, however, they were prepared to pay well, they just didn't have anyone applying. So alot of the fruit went unpicked. What service industries? And why is they not protected by the NMW?
Who said anything about service industries not being protected by NMW?
If you stop and think, some industries, where labour is the major costs, you may well see a large increase for increased wages.
So, if you're so against wages going up, you won't be voting Labour? £10 an hour for a 32 hour week.
I can't be bothered with you any more, I just think you're on a wind up.
gizlaroc said:
I'm in Norfolk, lots of the people I know are farmers. Fruit picking issues were discussed this year as they had real problem getting staff. Wage was not an issue, we were taking the piss saying if you pay bugger all you want get any workers, however, they were prepared to pay well, they just didn't have anyone applying. So alot of the fruit went unpicked.
Who said anything about service industries not being protected by NMW?
If you stop and think, some industries, where labour is the major costs, you may well see a large increase for increased wages.
So, if you're so against wages going up, you won't be voting Labour? £10 an hour for a 32 hour week.
I can't be bothered with you any more, I just think you're on a wind up.
You think I’m on a wind up because you can’t answer the questions without making stuff up. Who said anything about service industries not being protected by NMW?
If you stop and think, some industries, where labour is the major costs, you may well see a large increase for increased wages.
So, if you're so against wages going up, you won't be voting Labour? £10 an hour for a 32 hour week.
I can't be bothered with you any more, I just think you're on a wind up.
Why can’t farmers get the labour needed to pick fruit? Don’t Brits want that kind of “well paid work”?
And PS, labour account for 50% or more of fruit growers’ costs.
anonymous said:
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And before that, of course, many working and lower middle class Londoners used to spend their summer holidays in Kent hop picking (for example) because Benidorm had not been developed by Franco and was just a sleepy little fishing village possibly known in the UK only to a few posh Boho types. TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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Ah, the bright sunlit uplands of post-Brexit Britain! Maybe they could sing songs while they work too?We could maybe coin a snappy phrase to emblazon at the entrance to prison camps - something to do with the liberating effect of work perhaps ?
TTwiggy said:
Aaaaaand we're back in the 1950s. Now, what rotter had the temerity to claim Brexit was a backwards looking nod to nostalgia?
Or you could just read the comment straight - the seasonal labour supply in the past was provided by people who could not afford to take foreign holidays. That is no longer the case and has not been for a generation or two. But it would suggest that being paid to pick fruit has never been the path to a sustainable career.
anonymous said:
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Yes the days of chauvinism, deprivation and discrimination were lovely - as long as you did not make the mistake of being poor, female or minority.Remind me - how many top companies in the 50’s had female leaders?
Such happy days!
We have a lot of problems and a long way to go, but society has made some progress. Some progress is progress...
An interesting article on fruit picking from those who know about it rather than gorging on sepia tinged plums while reading Enid Blyton before polishing the Morris Traveller.
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit-and-the-workfor...
A couple of key points:
“Politicians have to accept the UK will need seasonal workers from abroad, and it needs to create the right conditions now to ensure those workers are willing to come and work in this country, growers say. They want to see measures such as a new Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS).
“For decades, the UK has had a visa scheme to allow seasonal workers to work in the country picking fruit and veg for a limited period and then go home again,” says Munday. “This was abolished in 2013 and it needs to be reinstated.”
“Anybody that thinks SAWS can be replaced by students and unemployed is, frankly, delusional,” agrees Hardman at Hops Labour.
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit-and-the-workfor...
A couple of key points:
“Politicians have to accept the UK will need seasonal workers from abroad, and it needs to create the right conditions now to ensure those workers are willing to come and work in this country, growers say. They want to see measures such as a new Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS).
“For decades, the UK has had a visa scheme to allow seasonal workers to work in the country picking fruit and veg for a limited period and then go home again,” says Munday. “This was abolished in 2013 and it needs to be reinstated.”
“Anybody that thinks SAWS can be replaced by students and unemployed is, frankly, delusional,” agrees Hardman at Hops Labour.
anonymous said:
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Nostalgia doesnt ,ean something was good or better than we have today. I have nostalgia for my old Sinclair ZX81 and I enjoyed learning to program on it, but that doesn't mean its better than a modern computer for anything that you want to use a computer for.Same with houses, traditionally built means high risk of issues with structure, damp, woodworm, roof, condensation, plaster, plumbing, electrics. Whereas a modern house addresses all of that.
So harking back to a 1950's economy and standards in life as a great thing is just rose tinted daftness.
anonymous said:
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I have no doubt that when Ogg decided that Ugg had gone too far with this whole 'making fire' thing he would regale his fellow cave dwellers with tales of the 'good old days', when you'd wake up to find your children had frozen to death and a sabre toothed tiger had gnawed half your leg off in the night.Brooking10 said:
An interesting article on fruit picking from those who know about it rather than gorging on sepia tinged plums while reading Enid Blyton before polishing the Morris Traveller.
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit-and-the-workfor...
A couple of key points:
“Politicians have to accept the UK will need seasonal workers from abroad, and it needs to create the right conditions now to ensure those workers are willing to come and work in this country, growers say. They want to see measures such as a new Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS).
“For decades, the UK has had a visa scheme to allow seasonal workers to work in the country picking fruit and veg for a limited period and then go home again,” says Munday. “This was abolished in 2013 and it needs to be reinstated.”
“Anybody that thinks SAWS can be replaced by students and unemployed is, frankly, delusional,” agrees Hardman at Hops Labour.
Thank you. Interesting article. https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit-and-the-workfor...
A couple of key points:
“Politicians have to accept the UK will need seasonal workers from abroad, and it needs to create the right conditions now to ensure those workers are willing to come and work in this country, growers say. They want to see measures such as a new Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS).
“For decades, the UK has had a visa scheme to allow seasonal workers to work in the country picking fruit and veg for a limited period and then go home again,” says Munday. “This was abolished in 2013 and it needs to be reinstated.”
“Anybody that thinks SAWS can be replaced by students and unemployed is, frankly, delusional,” agrees Hardman at Hops Labour.
TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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I have no doubt that when Ogg decided that Ugg had gone too far with this whole 'making fire' thing he would regale his fellow cave dwellers with tales of the 'good old days', when you'd wake up to find your children had frozen to death and a sabre toothed tiger had gnawed half your leg off in the night.
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