How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 7)

[Crackie]

Ghibli said:

And now have a look at how many posts are on topic and how many posts are directed at an individual. You will find your trolls then.

You suggest an ad hom motive but that argument does not stand up to scrutiny.

[pingu393]

Earthdweller said:

Ireland has said already to the EU that it will need billions in aid in the event of a hard brexit

How's about £4Bn per year for 9 years and £3Bn in year 10 ?

[Troubleatmill]

alfie2244 said:

amgmcqueen said:

Replying to your own posts with a different user name is beyond pathetic!

As the song goes... "There's only two Helicopter123's.......two Helicopter123's.......There's only two Helicopter123's."

[Earthdweller]

pingu393 said:

Earthdweller said:

Ireland has said already to the EU that it will need billions in aid in the event of a hard brexit

How's about £4Bn per year for 9 years and £3Bn in year 10 ?

So .. you can understand why the Irish commentators are concerned that the Irish govt had overplayed it’s hand

[Tony427]

frisbee said:

Tony427 said:

GroundEffect said:

Tony427 said:

And that is Remain in a nutshell............intellectually bereft resorting to personal attacks.

Time to add you to all the other Trolls ...........

Of course, you would never be so delinquent to resort to the same thing you accuse of others.

Indeed your name is also on the list.

Licks pencil ..........

You do realise it was a German officer keeping the list?

Don't panic. Dont Panic.

[davepoth]

Earthdweller said:

gothatway said:

Earthdweller said:

the EU might cut the ROI adrift

Interesting. What does the bit which I've bolded mean in practice ?

I don’t know, but I think the fear is that the EU will put a deal with the UK and protecting the German/French/Italian etc economies and jobs over the interests of a little island of 4.5m

Ireland has said already to the EU that it will need billions in aid in the event of a hard brexit

They are worried that the EU will put millions of German/French jobs over the concerns of the Irish

Simply that a border on the Island of Ireland represents a better solution than a no deal Brexit, after everything is taken into account.

[gooner1]

davepoth said:

Simply that a border on the Island of Ireland represents a better solution than a no deal Brexit, after everything is taken into account.

Would not ROI connsider leaving the EU before accepting that?

[Helicopter123]

gooner1 said:

davepoth said:

Simply that a border on the Island of Ireland represents a better solution than a no deal Brexit, after everything is taken into account.

Would not ROI connsider leaving the EU before accepting that?

Any attempt to turn the British border in Ireland into a hard border makes a united Ireland an inevitability.

[powerstroke]

gooner1 said:

davepoth said:

Simply that a border on the Island of Ireland represents a better solution than a no deal Brexit, after everything is taken into account.

Would not ROI connsider leaving the EU before accepting that?

Thing is there already is a border maybe nothing stops at it but rest assured there are plenty of checks now and vehicles stopped on either side, if there is any doubt about people or vehicles of interest or from intelligence ...
Few more cameras and a few more people watching post Brexit but the idea of razor wire ,barriers and alsatians is laughable ..
May etc and the EU's useful idiots have taken the EU bait hook line and sinker ... the stupid cretins !!

[powerstroke]

Helicopter123 said:

Any attempt to turn the British border in Ireland into a hard border makes a united Ireland an inevitability.

You do know the moon is made of green cheese !!!

[youngsyr]

powerstroke said:

gooner1 said:

davepoth said:

Simply that a border on the Island of Ireland represents a better solution than a no deal Brexit, after everything is taken into account.

Would not ROI connsider leaving the EU before accepting that?

Thing is there already is a border maybe nothing stops at it but rest assured there are plenty of checks now and vehicles stopped on either side, if there is any doubt about people or vehicles of interest or from intelligence ...
Few more cameras and a few more people watching post Brexit but the idea of razor wire ,barriers and alsatians is laughable ..
May etc and the EU's useful idiots have taken the EU bait hook line and sinker ... the stupid cretins !!

There are over 200 road crossings between NI and RoI, there are many more non-road paths etc that are currently totally unpoliced.

In contrast there are around 135 road crossings in total between the EU and its eastern neighbours.

Putting in an enforceable border is going to mean a lot more than "a few more people and few more cameras".

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-i...

This is the problem with Brexit, people on both sides are more than willing to try to mislead people over the flaws in their position.

[johnxjsc1985]

powerstroke said:

You do know the moon is made of green cheese !!!

Don't tell him pike.
May seems to be trying to get full support from her own MP's and the DUP …..not a chance.

[gooner1]

Helicopter123 said:

Any attempt to turn the British border in Ireland into a hard border makes a united Ireland an inevitability.

How would ROI agreeing to a different border to the one they have now,lead to a united Ireland?

[handpaper]

Tony427 said:

Gave the daughter a Zippy doll that night that shouted " Wecome to the year 2000" over and over and over again so I feel my brain was damaged by repeated playing.

Effing battery lasted for many a year. I may try to find it in the loft.

On a shelf a few feet from me is a plush snowman head that, when bounced off something, squeals "Happy 2000" and laughs maniacally. A bit quieter now than it used to be, but I'm sure it will still be annoying people well into a third decade

[anonymous-user]

plasticpig said:

Yes we have emailed clients where we feel it would be advantageous to them to automate the switch over and we have a document ready to send out explaining what changes need to be made to manually switch over a customer\suppler from EU to rest of the world ; How to create export paperwork etc.

The software can cope with changing prices and currency at a specific date in the future but we never envisaged a requirement to do this for VAT so all the changes will have to happen very close to the 29th of March.

So far there has been no responses to the email sent out in December after it was pretty obvious that May wouldn't get her deal through.

Interesting. Your sales guys should pick up the phone and ask why they are getting no response.

[Ridgemont]

youngsyr said:

powerstroke said:

gooner1 said:

davepoth said:

Simply that a border on the Island of Ireland represents a better solution than a no deal Brexit, after everything is taken into account.

Would not ROI connsider leaving the EU before accepting that?

Thing is there already is a border maybe nothing stops at it but rest assured there are plenty of checks now and vehicles stopped on either side, if there is any doubt about people or vehicles of interest or from intelligence ...
Few more cameras and a few more people watching post Brexit but the idea of razor wire ,barriers and alsatians is laughable ..
May etc and the EU's useful idiots have taken the EU bait hook line and sinker ... the stupid cretins !!

There are over 200 road crossings between NI and RoI, there are many more non-road paths etc that are currently totally unpoliced.

In contrast there are around 135 road crossings in total between the EU and its eastern neighbours.

Putting in an enforceable border is going to mean a lot more than "a few more people and few more cameras".

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-i...

This is the problem with Brexit, people on both sides are more than willing to try to mislead people over the flaws in their position.

It’s an interesting one: I have family on both sides of the border.
It would be a big deal if one came back; politically, culturally and operationally.
And yet.
No one wants one. Neither the U.K. (hence the apparent red line), ROI, duppers or EU.
But the fact is that the EU *has* to either have the hard border or a union of some sorts with NI otherwise it fails to control its border to the SM and CU. It’s a problem for the EU and it’s a fault line that the EU has been doing it’s damnednest to turn into a U.K. issue: you are leaving, tell us how you intend to resolve this situation? The U.K. unsurprisingly has tried max fac, and various alternatives that look at carving up the U.K. economic area. The former is vetoed by EU and the latter by Parliament. So arguably this becomes the EU’s problem.

I’m interested as to how this plays out. Apparently Varadkar has had calls this weekend with Merkel where she was asking what preparation the Irish are putting in place for a hard border. Varadkar refused to clarify.

And that is because when all is said and done there is no will on the ground to put an hard border in place.

It’s going to be interesting to see how that plays out if no deal were to occur.

Edited by Ridgemont on Monday 21st January 01:20

[Tony427]

Well given the propensity for some of Merkels compatriots to put walls up in the past maybe the Irish should ask for Merkel to sort a wall out.

Why is it that the only place Merkel wants to put a wall up is in Ireland?

[wisbech]

RE the Cummings blogs and videos. I get what he is against, but what is he for to replace it? His blog talks about NASA systems engineering and DARPA research. Which have been lauded for years as best practise. But their relevance to running the UK post Brexit is dubious. And elitist in the extreme (a few technocrats telling everyone what to do works well for Apple, not sure if it will work for running Glasgow)

Engineers fantasise about running countries and economies on ‘rational’ lines, but not aware of any major successes

The business plan seems to be
- leave the EU
- ?
- Profit!

Edited by wisbech on Monday 21st January 02:47

[_Sorted_]

Latest May NI idea seems a good, and doomed (again), way of giving the appearance of activity whilst the clock ticks down.

[JagLover]

_Sorted_ said:

Latest May NI idea seems a good, and doomed (again), way of giving the appearance of activity whilst the clock ticks down.

I don't think that actually.

if a deal without the backstop could pass the HOC (without polling of MPs I don't know if that is possible). Then the contradiction at the heart of the EUs position is exposed.

If the focus is on one section of a 500 page WA then that could be renegotiated at the last minute, rather than negotiating an entirely new agreement from scratch. The difficulty will be all the Remain MPs who want to remove the only leverage we have in the negotiations.