Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)
Discussion
markyb_lcy said:
768 said:
I'd suggest ignoring Gove's personal position when considering the intentions of this government. 
You actually believe that was just Gove’s personal position rather than this cabinet dropping mixed messages to test the waters and gauge opinion?768 said:
markyb_lcy said:
768 said:
I'd suggest ignoring Gove's personal position when considering the intentions of this government.
You actually believe that was just Gove’s personal position rather than this cabinet dropping mixed messages to test the waters and gauge opinion?b
hstewie said:
hstewie said: mx5nut said:
The "anti mask" backlash against Johnson is interesting. His most loyal supporters are absolutely sure that he's not to be trusted and must have an insidious scheme up his sleeve.
Very telling.
It is one of the rather strange ironies of this.Very telling.
Brave Boris who fought for our freedom from the tyranny of our elite EU overlords has now decided he's actually a secret communist and he wants to steal our personal freedoms one by one and the place to start is with face masks.
You literally couldn't make it up (but they have)
We saw bits of it with the pre covid budget but because it sounded non London (liberal elite) centric the spending was ok. Now there’s attacks on their individual freedoms and other non libertarian policies appearing and they’re not happy. Obviously it’s the woke and virulent lefty media causing it though.
jakesmith said:
markyb_lcy said:
this cabinet dropping mixed messages to test the waters and gauge opinion?
Absolutely idiotic suggestion. A mixed message / u-turn is hardly a good look.Sunday morning .... a senior cabinet minister says he doesn’t think this govt will be mandating masks
Mon afternoon .... the PM says they will be mandating masks.
But yea, I’m an idiot for identifying this as mixed messaging.
Pull your head out of your arse Jake. Were you living in a cave when we had the same MO over the 2m rule?
If the mixed messaging wasn’t intentional then either Gove doesn’t have a clue what the cabinet he is in are doing, or he’s intentionally gone against the PM. So which is it Jake?
Edited by markyb_lcy on Tuesday 14th July 10:02
markyb_lcy said:
jakesmith said:
markyb_lcy said:
this cabinet dropping mixed messages to test the waters and gauge opinion?
Absolutely idiotic suggestion. A mixed message / u-turn is hardly a good look.Sunday morning .... a senior cabinet minister says he doesn’t think this govt will be mandating masks
Mon afternoon .... the PM says they will be mandating masks.
But yea, I’m an idiot for identifying this as mixed messaging.
Pull your head out of your arse Jake. Were you living in a cave when we had the same MO over the 2m rule?
markyb_lcy said:
jakesmith said:
markyb_lcy said:
this cabinet dropping mixed messages to test the waters and gauge opinion?
Absolutely idiotic suggestion. A mixed message / u-turn is hardly a good look.Sunday morning .... a senior cabinet minister says he doesn’t think this govt will be mandating masks
Mon afternoon .... the PM says they will be mandating masks.
But yea, I’m an idiot for identifying this as mixed messaging.
Pull your head out of your arse Jake. Were you living in a cave when we had the same MO over the 2m rule?
If the mixed messaging wasn’t intentional then either Gove doesn’t have a clue what the cabinet he is in are doing, or he’s intentionally gone against the PM. So which is it Jake?
Edited by markyb_lcy on Tuesday 14th July 10:02
jakesmith said:
You are an idiot if you think they are doing this deliberately, it's hardly covering themselves in glory.
Keep going with the personal attacks. It’s yourself you’re making a fool of here, not me.Meanwhile ... how do you consider Gove’s comments then?
- his personal opinion (knowing it goes against the govt)?
- his personal opinion (with no clue that the PM was about to mandate masks or indeed was seriously considering it)?
- his professional opinion (clearly not having a clue about which direction his cabinet was moving in).
- something else?
Or are you going to avoid this question a 2nd time?
markyb_lcy said:
Pull your head out of your arse Jake. Were you living in a cave...
markyb_lcy said:
Keep going with the personal attacks. It’s yourself you’re making a fool of here, not me.
Hillarious!markyb_lcy said:
Meanwhile ... how do you consider Gove’s comments then?
- his personal opinion (knowing it goes against the govt)?
- his personal opinion (with no clue that the PM was about to mandate masks or indeed was seriously considering it)?
- his professional opinion (clearly not having a clue about which direction his cabinet was moving in).
- something else?
Or are you going to avoid this question a 2nd time?
Well I think it's one of the above 3 you mentioned in all honestly, or Gove being Gove (an utter See You Next Tuesday) therefore trying to make Boris look even worse. Basically anything other than 'putting different opinions out there to see which ones work' as they can't follow them all up so it is a strategy that is guaranteed to leading to them looking like they are even more incompetent / poor communicators / constantly u-turning.- his personal opinion (knowing it goes against the govt)?
- his personal opinion (with no clue that the PM was about to mandate masks or indeed was seriously considering it)?
- his professional opinion (clearly not having a clue about which direction his cabinet was moving in).
- something else?
Or are you going to avoid this question a 2nd time?
So said:
jakesmith said:
Helicopter123 said:
Why now for face masks, or rather why not now, why 24th July? Why not March? Or April? Or May? Or June?
Well, people weren't going out much in March, or April, or May, were they genius.
People were not going out in as great a number, but they were going to supermarkets, and the prevalence of the virus at the time was MUCH higher.
Imo masks would have had a much greater effect (on transmissions) 3 months ago than they will now.
El stovey said:
This is the thing with Boris, due to his fluid political ideology etc, he’s was all things to all people so fans think he shares their world view on a raft of issues. At some point though, he has to stop just being populist and has to make decisions and policies and ends up alienating some supporters.
We saw bits of it with the pre covid budget but because it sounded non London (liberal elite) centric the spending was ok. Now there’s attacks on their individual freedoms and other non libertarian policies appearing and they’re not happy. Obviously it’s the woke and virulent lefty media causing it though.
Honestly it's really odd.We saw bits of it with the pre covid budget but because it sounded non London (liberal elite) centric the spending was ok. Now there’s attacks on their individual freedoms and other non libertarian policies appearing and they’re not happy. Obviously it’s the woke and virulent lefty media causing it though.
I've said before that I know this thing takes its toll on peoples mental well being but I'm genuinely shocked at how quickly people seem to turn and assume plot conspiracy and subjugation over something as trivial as being asked to wear a mask temporarily.
So said:
jakesmith said:
Helicopter123 said:
Why now for face masks, or rather why not now, why 24th July? Why not March? Or April? Or May? Or June?
Well, people weren't going out much in March, or April, or May, were they genius.It’s not the reason though.
It’s just another example of the government having mixed messages and not taking the virus seriously at the start and then having to introduce rules late on that would likely have been useful earlier.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:El stovey said:
This is the thing with Boris, due to his fluid political ideology etc, he’s was all things to all people so fans think he shares their world view on a raft of issues. At some point though, he has to stop just being populist and has to make decisions and policies and ends up alienating some supporters.
We saw bits of it with the pre covid budget but because it sounded non London (liberal elite) centric the spending was ok. Now there’s attacks on their individual freedoms and other non libertarian policies appearing and they’re not happy. Obviously it’s the woke and virulent lefty media causing it though.
Honestly it's really odd.We saw bits of it with the pre covid budget but because it sounded non London (liberal elite) centric the spending was ok. Now there’s attacks on their individual freedoms and other non libertarian policies appearing and they’re not happy. Obviously it’s the woke and virulent lefty media causing it though.
I've said before that I know this thing takes its toll on peoples mental well being but I'm genuinely shocked at how quickly people seem to turn and assume conspiracy and subjugation over something as trivial as being asked to wear a mask temporarily.
The same libertarians on here like turbobloke etc said it was the right policy and should be left to the individual to decide not the government.
Wow, you guys are really getting yourselves worked up. Really handing those "Boris Ultras" their asses. 
We made up a set of masks a month or two ago - there are some good guides online - and as per government rules, the we've been wearing them on public transport. They're a faff, but if this can keep numbers heading in the right direction, then of course we'll wear them for shops.
Does the tinfoil go on the inside, or the outside?
We made up a set of masks a month or two ago - there are some good guides online - and as per government rules, the we've been wearing them on public transport. They're a faff, but if this can keep numbers heading in the right direction, then of course we'll wear them for shops.
Does the tinfoil go on the inside, or the outside?
Unknown_User said:
The mental gymnastics on display today from our resident Dom Cum/Boris Ultra's is quite astounding! Keep it up lads, it's all rather entertaining...
We love Boris because he speaks his mind and isn't afraid to do what's right for our country.Except on masks, where he's part of a globalist metropolitan elite conspiracy and should be ignored before we lose our very freedom
El stovey said:
So said:
jakesmith said:
Helicopter123 said:
Why now for face masks, or rather why not now, why 24th July? Why not March? Or April? Or May? Or June?
Well, people weren't going out much in March, or April, or May, were they genius.It’s not the reason though.
It’s just another example of the government having mixed messages and not taking the virus seriously at the start and then having to introduce rules late on that would likely have been useful earlier.
I seem to remember a shortage, which was also Boris' fault at the time what with him heading up NHS, retail and wholesale procurement, as well as manufacture, forecasting, supply chain etc.
Maybe I imagined it.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Honestly it's really odd.
I've said before that I know this thing takes its toll on peoples mental well being but I'm genuinely shocked at how quickly people seem to turn and assume plot conspiracy and subjugation over something as trivial as being asked to wear a mask temporarily.
Couldn't agree more, it's a mask during a pandemic FFS, it's hardly trying to centralise and control the entire broadband provision of the country or something.I've said before that I know this thing takes its toll on peoples mental well being but I'm genuinely shocked at how quickly people seem to turn and assume plot conspiracy and subjugation over something as trivial as being asked to wear a mask temporarily.
It just goes to show how pathetic the 'dedicated anti-Boris ultras' on this thread are that they have to resort to such garbage to slur the bloke's performance. There is not exactly a paucity of genuine misdeeds to criticise him for.
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