Thieving P****Y B'stards & Cable Theft
Discussion
At the end of the day to fix the problem will require stricter laws for the scrap dealers to work to.
No cash transactions.
If check is isssued by scrap dealer, has to be non-endorsable to the seller, as per their DL or ID.
Bearing in mind the ideas of the banks to reduce checks being used:
Bank transfer of funds from scrap dealer to seller. So no bank account, no sale.
Copy of driver's license or ID at point of sale.
All sales electronically controled buy standard (i.e all dealers use the same system)point-of-sale system.
If it needs to get that strict to stop the problem.
No cash transactions.
If check is isssued by scrap dealer, has to be non-endorsable to the seller, as per their DL or ID.
Bearing in mind the ideas of the banks to reduce checks being used:
Bank transfer of funds from scrap dealer to seller. So no bank account, no sale.
Copy of driver's license or ID at point of sale.
All sales electronically controled buy standard (i.e all dealers use the same system)point-of-sale system.
If it needs to get that strict to stop the problem.
tim0409 said:
When I was studying law one of the lecturers mentioned a problem Glasgow had in the 60's with gangs who's weapon of choice was chains. In order to stamp the problem out a judge, Lord Cameron, started handing out grossly disproportionate sentences for those involved and the problem soon disappeared. I don't see any issue with applying similar logic to these scumbags who are nicking/dealing stolen metal.
I would only challenge the idea that it's disproportionate. Those who repeatedly offend and cause problems for those around them ultimately need to be removed from society. For stealing thousands of pounds worth of equipment and potentially endangering a train load of people, and at least causing massive disruption, then I don't see 10 years imprisonment as disproportionate for a first offence. If the offender has previous form for such activities enough to suggest he is a habitual criminal then 25 years as a minimum.
With rail related cable theft it's generally massive delay/disruption rather than any danger to passengers.Siganals will revert to danger immediately,thieves are more likely to be putting them selfs in danger.Network rail is taking steps to add anti theft marking etc but theres thousands of miles of cable so it's a bit of an uphill struggle.There have been recent cases of several hundred pounds worth of HV clothing being nicked.All HV saftey clothing should have the owner company logo on it,but with outside contractors crawling all over the railway it's not always easy to tell who these workers are!
Farm boy said:
I have mentioned this in the past but hey...
A couple of caravans moved onto what was a tiny bit of waste land between the M3 and A33 last spring.
When the wind is blowing from the south the farm is covered with toxic and stinking smoke from what they are burning (It's the insulation layer from cables).
Every time this has been reported the old bill are not interested as they know the p1 keys are there and never come to this isolated area anyway.
Learned a month or so ago they are now demanding a property from Basingstoke council as they are homeless !
Meanwhile, I pay my monthly rent on what used to be such a lovely place...
All parasites such as these should be removed so they are not a problem any more.A couple of caravans moved onto what was a tiny bit of waste land between the M3 and A33 last spring.
When the wind is blowing from the south the farm is covered with toxic and stinking smoke from what they are burning (It's the insulation layer from cables).
Every time this has been reported the old bill are not interested as they know the p1 keys are there and never come to this isolated area anyway.
Learned a month or so ago they are now demanding a property from Basingstoke council as they are homeless !
Meanwhile, I pay my monthly rent on what used to be such a lovely place...
bleesh said:
What is the cable on the railways used for?
What signals mgo through it?
Would those signals be affected by 10,000 volts (and suitable amps of course) running through the cable, with a nice sign telling the p
ys that "you tamper with the cable at your own risk, due to it being electrically live".
Alternatively, if the real signals would be affected, lay dummy cable runs alongside the real one, and let the theives "take their chance", again with the challenge suitable signposted.
They are quite happily taking HV cables not just comms cables.What signals mgo through it?
Would those signals be affected by 10,000 volts (and suitable amps of course) running through the cable, with a nice sign telling the p
ys that "you tamper with the cable at your own risk, due to it being electrically live".Alternatively, if the real signals would be affected, lay dummy cable runs alongside the real one, and let the theives "take their chance", again with the challenge suitable signposted.
hidetheelephants said:
elster said:
They must be doing it retrospectively, as I do a bit of cable fitting. I can see them using DNA, but I hope they realise smartwater is as much use as a chocolate fire guard.
I thought the point of smart water was that miscreants got the stuff smeared all over their clothing?However its life is very debatable. I know York no longer want people to use it and North Yorkshire don't heavily endorse it.
We have become a totally clueless country. This practice is widespread yet is hardly reported. Our village was without communications and internet for 10 days, but it didn't warrant any reporting. Then another local Oxfordshire village got the same treatment and it was aired on local tv and radio.
Again it was the widespread cable theft.
Today in the South, not cable, but just as bad if not worse, several ambulances have all had their exhaust systems cut so the scum can remove the cat'converters.
Who is buying this stuff? Who is thieving it? Nobody knows... on and on it goes.
Just hope no one needs one of the ambulances desperately.
What a bloody country!
Again it was the widespread cable theft.
Today in the South, not cable, but just as bad if not worse, several ambulances have all had their exhaust systems cut so the scum can remove the cat'converters.
Who is buying this stuff? Who is thieving it? Nobody knows... on and on it goes.
Just hope no one needs one of the ambulances desperately.
What a bloody country!
D900SP said:
At the end of the day to fix the problem will require stricter laws for the scrap dealers to work to.
No cash transactions.
If check is isssued by scrap dealer, has to be non-endorsable to the seller, as per their DL or ID.
Bearing in mind the ideas of the banks to reduce checks being used:
Bank transfer of funds from scrap dealer to seller. So no bank account, no sale.
Copy of driver's license or ID at point of sale.
All sales electronically controled buy standard (i.e all dealers use the same system)point-of-sale system.
If it needs to get that strict to stop the problem.
This.No cash transactions.
If check is isssued by scrap dealer, has to be non-endorsable to the seller, as per their DL or ID.
Bearing in mind the ideas of the banks to reduce checks being used:
Bank transfer of funds from scrap dealer to seller. So no bank account, no sale.
Copy of driver's license or ID at point of sale.
All sales electronically controled buy standard (i.e all dealers use the same system)point-of-sale system.
If it needs to get that strict to stop the problem.
Seems like an ideal solution to me.
Smiler. said:
When I see the title of this thread, I keep thinking about this news article. I cannot imagine what those two patients must have gone through psychologically. They're about to either have part or all of a breast (or breasts) removed which is difficult for most (all?) women to come to terms with, not to mention the fear of the cancer spreading, and they've mentally prepared themselves for the operation (and even a powerfully-built director of 3 companies would still be anxious if they were going under the knife)... and then they're told that their operation is postponed.Glue or dog food is the only just outcome for the thieves.
dandarez said:
We have become a totally clueless country. This practice is widespread yet is hardly reported. Our village was without communications and internet for 10 days, but it didn't warrant any reporting. Then another local Oxfordshire village got the same treatment and it was aired on local tv and radio.
Again it was the widespread cable theft.
Today in the South, not cable, but just as bad if not worse, several ambulances have all had their exhaust systems cut so the scum can remove the cat'converters.
Who is buying this stuff? Who is thieving it? Nobody knows... on and on it goes.
Just hope no one needs one of the ambulances desperately.
What a bloody country!
Have a look at my big fat gypsy wedding, you'd have to tarmac an awful lot of drives to pay for all those new Mercs, Audis and BMWsAgain it was the widespread cable theft.
Today in the South, not cable, but just as bad if not worse, several ambulances have all had their exhaust systems cut so the scum can remove the cat'converters.
Who is buying this stuff? Who is thieving it? Nobody knows... on and on it goes.
Just hope no one needs one of the ambulances desperately.
What a bloody country!
mybrainhurts said:
One shouldn't laugh but...he singed his moustache off 
mybrainhurts said:
What a fecking waste of NHS resources and tax payers money! 
karona said:
Smiler. said:
karona said:
200 quid a metre for replacement cable, who are the real thieves here?
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