Learner driver gets two years, does this seem harsh to you?
Discussion
Hooli said:
Agreed, I just don't feel there is a law needed to enforce that. If they just enforced the laws to make the average driver competent then anyone teaching someone else to drive would have an idea what to do.
I don't believe that's correct. Otherwise people leaving GCSE should be able to teach, GCSE standard to other students at school! I believe the duel controls should be essential anyway. Even if it's just for the sake of pulling out infront of a motorbike. Very little you can do as a passenger - no matter how good your students are!
Hooli said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Hooli said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
As said, it leads to an appreciation that at least the first few lessons need to be taken with a professional teacher/driving instructor.
Not at all. Just with someone who has the intelligence to check you know which pedal does what before starting the engine.Driving instructors have to pass tests, that enable them to determin whether or not someone is safe to venture onto the roads or not - and they'll have duel controls if their initial judgement has failed. Only this year we had someone who was self-teaching, who died from their own daughters inability!
Plus with the shockingly crap driving I often see by driving school cars (often with a single occupant) I doubt most instructors have much of a clue anyway.
I agree regards the case in question that the husband giving the lesson should bear much of the responsibility. Many of us with years of driving behind us were taught by our parents, but we never ventured out on to the open road without first some prior practice say in a local emptyish car park or the like!
Bebee said:
This is on another thread but I ask this:
If this old lady, who is seemingly pleased as punch to pose for the news papers, killed the little girl, would it have even gone to court?
I think two years for a sincerely remorseful learner driver is OTT.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077028/Ji...
And these are the fekin' idiots that I have to share the roads with. Bad enough when I am in my car but scary when I'm on my motorbike, cycling or walking and in this twunt's case, when I'm sitting at home watching the telly.If this old lady, who is seemingly pleased as punch to pose for the news papers, killed the little girl, would it have even gone to court?
I think two years for a sincerely remorseful learner driver is OTT.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077028/Ji...
I fekin' hate these foot slipped stories and they are never driving a powerful car. Driving that heap of s
te you'd have about ten minutes to finally move your foot to the brake before it had gone anywhere. How do these people pass their tests. Unbelievable!!!!Hooli said:
I don't agree that only those who've passed the exams are fit to teach others to drive. I'm sure lots of people who've not done the course could do it as well, they just have no proof as such.
As it stands, the stupidest, most unobservant, numpty driver you have ever seen on the road is allowed to instruct a brand-new driver with no clue which pedal is which - And you are fine with that, as you have seen instructors whose driving you don't like therefore driving instructors are no better than previously mentioned numpty?SpeedMattersNot said:
It will soon be required by law, to be taught by a qualified driving instructor.
This has been rumoured for many years - Anyone know if it is finally going to happen?Have always thought the learn to drive approach here in Singapore was overkill, but incidents like this do make one understand why, especially on crowded road networks.
first practical lessons are done on a dedicated driving track, not on public highways.
you can only be taught by a qualified driving instructor in an approved dual control driving school car with the necessary insurances.
Does mean that at least a student has a basic understanding of the car controls and of maneuvering before being let loose on the greater public!
Wonder why her husband, the "Instructor" is not also up in-front of the beak for letting her loose on the roads with obviously absolutely no clue at all!
first practical lessons are done on a dedicated driving track, not on public highways.
you can only be taught by a qualified driving instructor in an approved dual control driving school car with the necessary insurances.
Does mean that at least a student has a basic understanding of the car controls and of maneuvering before being let loose on the greater public!
Wonder why her husband, the "Instructor" is not also up in-front of the beak for letting her loose on the roads with obviously absolutely no clue at all!
I take it all of you lot are Natural Born Drivers and have never experienced the blind panic when the learner's 'blue funk' comes down?
She panicked and lost it.
No chance for her instructor to gather it up in a single-control vehicle, and very sad that someone was killed as a result.
Yet the law as it stands allows this to happen.
My view is that no learner should be allowed on a public road without a qualified instructor in a dual-controlled vehicle.
She panicked and lost it.
No chance for her instructor to gather it up in a single-control vehicle, and very sad that someone was killed as a result.
Yet the law as it stands allows this to happen.
My view is that no learner should be allowed on a public road without a qualified instructor in a dual-controlled vehicle.
Mobile Chicane said:
I take it all of you lot are Natural Born Drivers and have never experienced the blind panic when the learner's 'blue funk' comes down?
She panicked and lost it.
No chance for her instructor to gather it up in a single-control vehicle, and very sad that someone was killed as a result.
Yet the law as it stands allows this to happen.
My view is that no learner should be allowed on a public road without a qualified instructor in a dual-controlled vehicle.
When I took my bike test back in 197* it was straight on the road with no off-road tuition. Seems crazy now yet it would seem sensible to start car drivers in a safe environment but they don't.She panicked and lost it.
No chance for her instructor to gather it up in a single-control vehicle, and very sad that someone was killed as a result.
Yet the law as it stands allows this to happen.
My view is that no learner should be allowed on a public road without a qualified instructor in a dual-controlled vehicle.
Mobile Chicane said:
I take it all of you lot are Natural Born Drivers and have never experienced the blind panic when the learner's 'blue funk' comes down?
She panicked and lost it.
No chance for her instructor to gather it up in a single-control vehicle, and very sad that someone was killed as a result.
Yet the law as it stands allows this to happen.
My view is that no learner should be allowed on a public road without a qualified instructor in a dual-controlled vehicle.
Yep, the law allows this nonsense to happen, and then the law blames the learner driver for when it goes wrong instead of the qualified driver who allowed it all to happen in the first place. The situation could not be more absurd.She panicked and lost it.
No chance for her instructor to gather it up in a single-control vehicle, and very sad that someone was killed as a result.
Yet the law as it stands allows this to happen.
My view is that no learner should be allowed on a public road without a qualified instructor in a dual-controlled vehicle.
I too think that only qualified people should be allowed to teach how to drive. This isn't a major factor in road safety though, so it's not something i'd press too hard for. It's the second fatal this year that i've read about though - there was that poor girl who ran over and killed her own mother in a pub car park.
The mother had got out of the car to guide her daughter into the parking space, no doubt something that many parents have done, but not only is it dangerous, not only does it go against all teaching methods, it's also completely illegal because it means there is no qualified driver inside the car.
Allowing the public to teach how to drive really is a case of the blind leading the blind, imo.
i have to say the statement from the parents is incredibly humbling. i hope if i was in that position I too could be so forgiving.
"As the parents of Shamirah Grant, we have forgiven those present in the vehicle which veered dangerously out of control from the car park down the steps of a narrow pedestrianised walkway into a grassed children's play area, unfortunately killing our daughter and injuring two of her friends."
"We appreciate that such a terrible event was not intentional. We have not sought to influence the sentencing of the court in any way and accept that the driver is sincerely remorseful, being a mother of three herself.
"Nevertheless, Shamirah's death has left a heart-rending gap within our family's lives and, in a lasting legacy to her name, we intend to go forward positively by creating opportunities which will use performing arts, which was Shamirah's passion, to empower young people educationally, and hopefully make a change in their lives.
"Since Shamirah's passing we have adopted the symbol of the butterfly which metamorphoses from a caterpillar to a beautiful butterfly, whose life, although short-lived, graces a summer's day with her beautiful elegance.
"So it's hoped that through the spirit of our beautiful but short-lived daughter, we too can bring change for the better."
"As the parents of Shamirah Grant, we have forgiven those present in the vehicle which veered dangerously out of control from the car park down the steps of a narrow pedestrianised walkway into a grassed children's play area, unfortunately killing our daughter and injuring two of her friends."
"We appreciate that such a terrible event was not intentional. We have not sought to influence the sentencing of the court in any way and accept that the driver is sincerely remorseful, being a mother of three herself.
"Nevertheless, Shamirah's death has left a heart-rending gap within our family's lives and, in a lasting legacy to her name, we intend to go forward positively by creating opportunities which will use performing arts, which was Shamirah's passion, to empower young people educationally, and hopefully make a change in their lives.
"Since Shamirah's passing we have adopted the symbol of the butterfly which metamorphoses from a caterpillar to a beautiful butterfly, whose life, although short-lived, graces a summer's day with her beautiful elegance.
"So it's hoped that through the spirit of our beautiful but short-lived daughter, we too can bring change for the better."
XJSJohn said:
Have always thought the learn to drive approach here in Singapore was overkill, but incidents like this do make one understand why, especially on crowded road networks.
first practical lessons are done on a dedicated driving track, not on public highways.
you can only be taught by a qualified driving instructor in an approved dual control driving school car with the necessary insurances.
Does mean that at least a student has a basic understanding of the car controls and of maneuvering before being let loose on the greater public!
Wonder why her husband, the "Instructor" is not also up in-front of the beak for letting her loose on the roads with obviously absolutely no clue at all!
Agree. I thought the 'instructor' her husband would equally be responsible. first practical lessons are done on a dedicated driving track, not on public highways.
you can only be taught by a qualified driving instructor in an approved dual control driving school car with the necessary insurances.
Does mean that at least a student has a basic understanding of the car controls and of maneuvering before being let loose on the greater public!
Wonder why her husband, the "Instructor" is not also up in-front of the beak for letting her loose on the roads with obviously absolutely no clue at all!
What a waste of a life.
monkey gland said:
The husband is appallingly thick to have not done what sensible people do and that is take them to an industrial estate/business park in the evening or weekend for the first lesson or two.
I taught the GF's sons the basics. We went to a deserted industrial area on a Sunday and just practised moving off and stopping in forward and reverse before we did anything else. I agree that the husband should have got at least the same sentence as her. As a supervisor he would have known the importance of the driver knowing the basics of what pedal does what, and have been ready to steer away or pull the handbrake as a last resort.
The learner perhaps ought to have known that she should know which pedal does which before pressing any of them, but she may have led an insular life and never even considered how cars are operated until that point, and completely trusted her husband to not let her do something so unsafe.
The learner perhaps ought to have known that she should know which pedal does which before pressing any of them, but she may have led an insular life and never even considered how cars are operated until that point, and completely trusted her husband to not let her do something so unsafe.
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