Alan Hansen apologises for using the 'C' word on tele...
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Six Fiend said:
Let's just say "Not white" 
That's everyone then - I'm going to start calling you white fellas "pinky". 
A couple of months ago, at my daughter's nursery, I saw a wall "mural" that the kids had done and the children had to create a little version of themselves - My daughter is the only "non white" child there and is sort of dark olive (that my OH is insanely jealous of as it looks like a lovely tan) - However, her face/hands were painted brown while all the others (about 40 or so) were white, I asked about this and was told that my daughter had chosen the colour. I smiled at that.
Corsair7 said:
Piersman2 said:
There's not clear manual on this which is why I have much sympathy for Hansen.
When I were a kid using the term 'black' was deemed offensive and the phrase "coloured" was the PC phrase. Sometime over the last 15-20 years the term 'black' has now become the preferred description amogst black people and the term 'coloured' is now seen is derogatory.
My personal take on it is the black people don't want to be lumped in as 'coloureds' along with everyone who is none caucasian an have decided to reclaim 'black' and make it a word to take pride in rather than it be derogatory.
Seems to have worked as well - just means that occasionally people who have experienced both 'educations' may get a little confused.
I must admit, I still feel uncomfortable using the term 'black' when talking to my team at work, 3 of whom are black. They don't bat an eyelid and freely use the expression themselves... it's just me that feels uncomfortable because I was taught as a kid that it's not acceptable.
Seems to me the dropping of the term 'colored' stems from the rejection by the majority of 'black' race people to being associated with people of indo-asian, indian and arabic races. Basically, 'black' seems to be only associated with african decent.When I were a kid using the term 'black' was deemed offensive and the phrase "coloured" was the PC phrase. Sometime over the last 15-20 years the term 'black' has now become the preferred description amogst black people and the term 'coloured' is now seen is derogatory.
My personal take on it is the black people don't want to be lumped in as 'coloureds' along with everyone who is none caucasian an have decided to reclaim 'black' and make it a word to take pride in rather than it be derogatory.
Seems to have worked as well - just means that occasionally people who have experienced both 'educations' may get a little confused.
I must admit, I still feel uncomfortable using the term 'black' when talking to my team at work, 3 of whom are black. They don't bat an eyelid and freely use the expression themselves... it's just me that feels uncomfortable because I was taught as a kid that it's not acceptable.
its an interesting thought that it is indeed another form of racism to some extent.
He's a professional broadcaster paid huge sums of money to get it right. If jo public gets it wrong then it has far less significance. People expect professionals to get it right, all the time.
He's apologised.
Move on.
This situation is so preposterous. I'd for once like someone such as AH to stand up and say "you know, I'm not sorry, there's nothing wrong with the term and it's about time we stopped making up things to be offended by". I do understand that it would probably be best for his career to do what he has done though.
I'd also like a news crew to go out on the street and ask Joe public if they feel the term is offensive, next question for those who answer yes is 'why'? I bet they'd struggle to explain their reasoning.
Now if he had called them 'chocolate faces'..............
I'd also like a news crew to go out on the street and ask Joe public if they feel the term is offensive, next question for those who answer yes is 'why'? I bet they'd struggle to explain their reasoning.
Now if he had called them 'chocolate faces'..............
oyster said:
Gow3r said:
Our society has gotten beyond a joke, the whole you cannot call it this because it will cause offence: It is no longer a Christmas Tree but a Festive tree, so that nobody is offended
How the mighty have fallen
Oh good grief.How the mighty have fallen
Please show me one source where a Christmas Tree is called anything other than that?
You can't. All you do is get wound up when 1 person out of 62 million in this country thinks differently to you. And you call them offended!
Piersman2 said:
paddyhasneeds said:
Opening myself up for some ridicule here no doubt, but why not, what are the implications of it that makes "coloured chap" offensive?
Nobody has ever actually sat me down and showed me where it explains why you can't use the word "coloured" any more, though I gather you can't.
There's not clear manual on this which is why I have much sympathy for Hansen.Nobody has ever actually sat me down and showed me where it explains why you can't use the word "coloured" any more, though I gather you can't.
When I were a kid using the term 'black' was deemed offensive and the phrase "coloured" was the PC phrase. Sometime over the last 15-20 years the term 'black' has now become the preferred description amogst black people and the term 'coloured' is now seen is derogatory.
My personal take on it is the black people don't want to be lumped in as 'coloureds' along with everyone who is none caucasian an have decided to reclaim 'black' and make it a word to take pride in rather than it be derogatory.
Seems to have worked as well - just means that occasionally people who have experienced both 'educations' may get a little confused.
I must admit, I still feel uncomfortable using the term 'black' when talking to my team at work, 3 of whom are black. They don't bat an eyelid and freely use the expression themselves... it's just me that feels uncomfortable because I was taught as a kid that it's not acceptable.
I can't help but think that common sense and context combined should have nipped this one in the bud, rather than it somehow being on the front page of the BBC News website.
There are words that are clearly offensive. I wouldn't call someone a
and claim the context made it OK because "I have lots of black friends" or "It's OK when Dr Dre uses it" or whatever justifications some people come up with - common sense says you just don't use the word even in jest.Coloured vs. black though? I've honestly never even thought about it.
It seems it's all gone a bit too far and you end up where you find yourself offering a black person a cup of coffee and finding yourself analysing whether you should ask if they want it white, black, with cream and so on lest it causes offence whilst they don't give a s
t they just want a drink.vonuber said:
Surely the point is why is the colour of someone skin an issue anyway, i.e. why the need to call someone coloured, black, yellow, white etc. The fact the colour is raised shows it's an issue, no? terry should've have just said , not black 
+1, not black Extend that to adjectives other than colour too.
(Unless there's a perception that the adjective is required to emphasise a point - e.g. someone steps on your toe and breaks it, "you fat b
d" might be warranted 
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I wonder if the full chapter and verse of this will be replayed in the appeal by Suarez.If true, then IMO it doesn't matter what Suarez called him. Evra warrants an 8 game ban and 40k fine too.
These idiots are unfortunately role models for extremely impressionable young kids, and demonstrating clearly that this sort of s
t is unacceptable is to be applauded. He said the wrong thing but that doesn't make him racist, it makes him a prat.
He is unlucky, media wise as it comes at a bad time, racism is clearly disgusting and should not be tolerated in any form but the odd slip up by a generally well meaning chap who then apologies and has a word with himself should be the end of it.
He is unlucky, media wise as it comes at a bad time, racism is clearly disgusting and should not be tolerated in any form but the odd slip up by a generally well meaning chap who then apologies and has a word with himself should be the end of it.
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