Norwegian jobsworths take away Indian children

[just me]

DonkeyApple said:

Ok. But why shouldn't Norway expect Norwegian citizens to grow up in a Norwegian manner?

If you live in a country where people do not generally eat with their hands then these parents are disadvantaging their children and ultimately segregating them from their society.

I recal at prep school a kid turning up and trying to eat crumble and custard with his hands. He also wiped his arse with his hands He was a fking idiot but far less so than his moronic parents who were comprehensively failing to raise their child appropriately.

There will be more to this story but even at its most elemental level I wholly agree with their actions.

So deport them, or tell them to shape up or ship out. But kidnapping the children is certainly not acceptable.

As for wiping the arse, it's an Asian thing. They do wash their hands afterwards, you know. It's a lot cleaner than smearing the cack around with some paper and calling it a job done. Asians think Westerners are disgusting. Cuts both ways.

[Finlandia]

alfaman said:

MX7 said:

I've just done a Google search about that. Couldn't find anything, in fact "dumbo norway topless censored" throws up this thread!

Am I going to get a parrot?

This was told to me by family living out there at the time ...so going on what they knew locally ( maybe it was exaggerated??? - or maybe true .... will do some searches)

Considering that "normal" porn was allowed 2006, I would suppose that Dumbo may have been censored.

[fluffnik]

DonkeyApple said:

Raising your children in the West in the style of an illiterate peasant farmer is not acceptable and I wish we would do more to explain this to fellow citizens.

There aren't many more opposed to ignorance and superstition than me, but:

Cutlery is not necessary for civilised eating.

Some cuisines are designed to be eaten with fingers and flat bread, some with chopsticks, some with a spork...

[Hooli]

Pickled Piper said:

Hooli said:

They should have learnt to use a knife & fork when eating & so forth, I'm suspect they eat at playschool after all.

1 and 3 your old using a knife and fork? Have you looked in at a playschool at lunch time? It's akin to a Chimpanzees tea party!

pp

Tbh no. I detest kids so can't think of a much worse place to ever visit.

[Pickled Piper]

Hooli said:

Pickled Piper said:

Hooli said:

They should have learnt to use a knife & fork when eating & so forth, I'm suspect they eat at playschool after all.

1 and 3 your old using a knife and fork? Have you looked in at a playschool at lunch time? It's akin to a Chimpanzees tea party!

pp

Tbh no. I detest kids so can't think of a much worse place to ever visit.

I guessed from your post and also assumed you don't have kids.

Youngsters in general don't have the motor skills to use a knife and fork (certainly not in the way Debretts intended) until they are 4 upwards. In general they will use their hands irrespective of what you put in front of them. Most will start with a spoon, but if that is too difficult they will revert back to their hands.

in terms of communication and interacting with other children, many will just communicate with grunts and noises until they get to 4 plus. Certainly at 3 most will play along side other children rather than interact directly in a way that an adult would relate to. The language they are taught at home is almost immaterial until they get to school age.

Also, most play groups will have the children take their afternoon nap on a mattress on the floor alongside other little people.

I don't want to digress, but my point is that at 1 and 3 years, you would be hard pressed to recognise that the children had something odd going on at home.

As I have posted before, I think there is more to the story. I would venture that the Social workers may have found the children living in squalor and conditions of poor hygiene. They chose to illustrate this with several factors including, communal sleeping and being fed without cutlery, amongst other things. The media have just picked up on these two factors. I would certainly want to know more about the children's home life before making a decision.

pp

[Halb]

A spoon could be used for the above foods.

otolith said:

jshell said:

Most of the population are hugely fit so don't have a lot of the same health concerns as a lot of the world has.

Not sure that Scandinavian stereotype still holds, looking at their obesity statistics:

http://www.fhi.no/eway/default.aspx?pid=238&tr...

I think in relation it does. All Westernised counties are getting fat. In comparison they are staving it off a bit better than others
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-o...

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Engineering has always been here. The norm for engineering was to keep everything male, as an old boys club, employ the man even though he is a fracktard. Only the gender has changed. Though sometimes it works.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/1...

just me said:

It's a lot cleaner than smearing the cack around with some paper and calling it a job done.

Is that how you wipe your bottom?

Edited by Halb on Saturday 21st January 11:08

[King Herald]

DonkeyApple said:

Raising your children in the West in the style of an illiterate peasant farmer is not acceptable and I wish we would do more to explain this to fellow citizens.

My wife is Asian and she still eats with her fingers on occasion, part of her culture.

In fact she has been known to eat food wrapped in cheap waste material, with her fingers, sitting at the side of the street. Even when she lived in the UK.

I too have eaten fish and chips in newspaper, whilst sat on a park bench....


Some people ought to wind their neck in a try to grow out of the petty prejudices they were dragged up with.

Whatever fkwit decided that balancing peas/food on the back of a fork is the 'proper' way to eat deserves a good slap.

How much time has been wasted forcing children to eat in such a backwards illogical manner???? All part of the educated civilised western way huh?

[Oakey]

just me said:

o deport them, or tell them to shape up or ship out. But kidnapping the children is certainly not acceptable.

As for wiping the arse, it's an Asian thing. They do wash their hands afterwards, you know. It's a lot cleaner than smearing the cack around with some paper and calling it a job done. Asians think Westerners are disgusting. Cuts both ways.

I'm not sure how it's cleaner to smear the cack around your arse with your hand than it is a bit of paper. Except, in one instance you don't end up wiith st on your hand. Besides which, you must be doing it wrong because my arse is always st free after wiping. Then again if you live on a diet of 'ring sting' I can see how you might pebble dash your arse, the toilet, and maybe even the walls.

[Deva Link]

steviegunn said:

One way to reduce immigration I suppose, would put people off living there if they think they might have their kids taken off them.

Exactly my thought when I read it.

And it'll save a Norwegian family having to go to some foreign country to adopt.

[stitched]

Norway's Child Protective Service has come under much scrutiny in the past for excessive behaviour in their handling of child cruelty.

Lawyer Svein Kjetil Lode Svendsen said: 'There has been a report in UN in 2005 which criticized Norway for taking too many children in public care.

'The amount was 12,500 children and Norway is a small country.'

With the Bhattacharyas' visas set to expire in March, they have revealed that they will be forced to stay against their will until the return of their infants.

Quote from wail, if the bottom paragraph is shown to be true then it kind of knocks down the argument that the kids were not being properly prepared to fit into Norways society.

[just me]

Oakey said:

I'm not sure how it's cleaner to smear the cack around your arse with your hand than it is a bit of paper. Except, in one instance you don't end up wiith st on your hand. Besides which, you must be doing it wrong because my arse is always st free after wiping. Then again if you live on a diet of 'ring sting' I can see how you might pebble dash your arse, the toilet, and maybe even the walls.

Because it's done under running water (usually poured from a mug with the other hand, or, in modern toilets, under the stream from a bidet) and the whole area is rendered clean. If need be, the mug (usually the size of a small watering can) is refilled with water and the process is repeated till the whole bottom is squeaky clean. Then the hands are thoroughly washed with soap. Same as you do in the shower. It's not just smeared around. Generally it's done with the left hand, and the right hand is used to touch items where hygiene is important, such as when touching food or shaking hands with other people.

The western way of "wiping" can't possibly remove it as thoroughly as washing it with water. Unless your st is dry like aged dogst...in which case you wouldn't need to wipe, would you? How can smearing st around with paper leave the smeared area st free?

I did enjoy the pebble dashed visual. :-)

Edited by just me on Sunday 22 January 08:08

[DonkeyApple]

King Herald said:

My wife is Asian and she still eats with her fingers on occasion, part of her culture.

In fact she has been known to eat food wrapped in cheap waste material, with her fingers, sitting at the side of the street. Even when she lived in the UK.

I too have eaten fish and chips in newspaper, whilst sat on a park bench....


Some people ought to wind their neck in a try to grow out of the petty prejudices they were dragged up with.

Whatever fkwit decided that balancing peas/food on the back of a fork is the 'proper' way to eat deserves a good slap.

How much time has been wasted forcing children to eat in such a backwards illogical manner???? All part of the educated civilised western way huh?

Grow up you prat. Minor issues symptomatic of a greater problem.

Clearly time and place and very clearly more to this story.

[Hackney]

Pistonheads racial stereotyping matters.

And I ain't talking about Indians

[Derek Smith]

King Herald said:

DonkeyApple said:

Raising your children in the West in the style of an illiterate peasant farmer is not acceptable and I wish we would do more to explain this to fellow citizens.

My wife is Asian and she still eats with her fingers on occasion, part of her culture.

In fact she has been known to eat food wrapped in cheap waste material, with her fingers, sitting at the side of the street. Even when she lived in the UK.

I too have eaten fish and chips in newspaper, whilst sat on a park bench....


Some people ought to wind their neck in a try to grow out of the petty prejudices they were dragged up with.

Whatever fkwit decided that balancing peas/food on the back of a fork is the 'proper' way to eat deserves a good slap.

How much time has been wasted forcing children to eat in such a backwards illogical manner???? All part of the educated civilised western way huh?

Good points about fish and chips and then there are burgers of course. I remember being taught what foods you should eat with your hands but that you should only use one hand. Muscles in their shells anyone?

As for illiterate farmers, I seem to remember that even educated professionals in India eat with their hands.

One wonders what finger bowls are for in upmarket restaurants.

An infant sleeping in the same bed was traditional in this country. In fact there is an inherited response which stops you rolling over onto the child. If you are drunk the response is reduced and there is a specific offence of killing your child whilst in bed by rolling over on them whilst you are drunk.

Whilst there is obviously more to this than is reported in the DM (goes without saying of course) the response on here as to what is and what it not acceptable for children is remarkable. I have a 1-year-old granddaughter who eats with her hands from a bowl. This is from advice from well-regarded childcare professionals and is traditional in my, non Indian, family. My 6 months old grandchild is being taught to do the same. The younger one is half Japanese and this too is traditional for them. My son's in-laws are not peasant farmers and, as a retired scientist, I would assume the father-in-law is not illiterate.

Someone mentioned earlier that the finger food and communual living are probably selected from a list of concerns of the social workers.

I wouldn't touch the DM with my fingers.

Edited by Derek Smith on Sunday 22 January 14:28

[thinfourth2]

The scary thing is a lot of folk on here want exactly this kind of meddling in the UK

[DonkeyApple]

thinfourth2 said:

The scary thing is a lot of folk on here want exactly this kind of meddling in the UK

I'm not sure this is exactly what they want. I think most people reckon the DM left out the real reasons and just picked some that would meet their agenda.

I suspect most people believe in the sanctity of their culture and that when you move country it is important to retain parts and pass it to your children. And that in your home it is your rules.

However, we have also seen that when this is not balanced with a recognition that they are now in a different country and culture an must adapt and understand these differences you end up with situations where for example British children cannot speak English or function properly in British society. When this happens the parents have effectively segregated their child from main society and restricted their future considerably. To me this is child abuse.

It seems irrelevant that 1 and 3 year olds in their own home are eating with their hands and sleeping in their parents bed. These two things alone are irrelevant, especially given their ages. The Norwegians are generally not thick or arse holes so there is most probably real reasons as to why people felt the children would be raised better by the state than the parents which must be the absolute last resort.

And even chippies have chip forks on the counter

[Countdown]

What exactly is wrong with eating (certain types of) food with your hands ? Try eating a chappati with a knife and fork.

[MX7]

DonkeyApple said:

I think most people reckon the DM left out the real reasons and just picked some that would meet their agenda.

I've had a look at stories from other sources, and there's not much variation from the DM.

thinfourth2 said:

The scary thing is a lot of folk on here want exactly this kind of meddling in the UK

Who?

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

What exactly is wrong with eating (certain types of) food with your hands ? Try eating a chappati with a knife and fork.

I have seen a lot of natives eating nan (the bread)! with their hands, what should be done with them?

[Halb]

The hand feeding is more to do with force feeding?
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/indian-couples-n...