Caroline Lucas: Something needs to be done about her
Discussion
Astronut said:
Ianyone using the term 'Green' whilst referring to the pseudo-industry that has sprung from the worst abuse of 'science' in human history, should be euthenased on the spot. So there.
Please may I buy the copyright to use this wonderful sentence freely and across all media for the next 50 years.audidoody said:
Astronut said:
Ianyone using the term 'Green' whilst referring to the pseudo-industry that has sprung from the worst abuse of 'science' in human history, should be euthenased on the spot. So there.
Please may I buy the copyright to use this wonderful sentence freely and across all media for the next 50 years.Rob_T said:
We cannot have our MP's living in a parallel universe of fluffiness and ideals.
That is THE biggest problem every time without fail, irrespective of whether they are right, left, up, down, middle blah...It is also why I can never ever prefer one set of the self-serving, clueless nincompoops over the other!
Eric Mc said:
Even though I don't agree with roughly 99% of what she says, I am always worried about comments which contain the wish that "something needs to be done about him/her".
We know what needs to be done, don't vote for her. If she is the best parliamentary candidate in the Brighton constituency, that is more of a reflection of those who stood against her at the last election.
I agree. I don't like her, I don't like what she says. But some of the stuff you get on here about anyone that doesn't wear the blue tie seems bizarre sometimes, 'shut them up!'. We know what needs to be done, don't vote for her. If she is the best parliamentary candidate in the Brighton constituency, that is more of a reflection of those who stood against her at the last election.
Always makes me smile on here when the dander gets up over nasty insidious comments lefties make over Thatcher (or similar) when the same thing for lefties goes on all the time here.
Here's good old Marcus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2A_WDjUusM&fea...
Edited by Halb on Saturday 21st January 11:30
Dogwatch said:
Don't forget that until recently she was a euro mp. Brussels' gain is our loss? Probably a nice pension pot sitting over there too.
She has been replaced in Brussels by another greeny from Brighton. Naturally as a green euro mp he walks and cycles between the two instead of flying at public expense? Yeah, right!
Probably quaffing Bollinger in first class at our expense!!She has been replaced in Brussels by another greeny from Brighton. Naturally as a green euro mp he walks and cycles between the two instead of flying at public expense? Yeah, right!
Eric Mc said:
Even though I don't agree with roughly 99% of what she says, I am always worried about comments which contain the wish that "something needs to be done about him/her".
We know what needs to be done, don't vote for her. If she is the best parliamentary candidate in the Brighton constituency, that is more of a reflection of those who stood against her at the last election.
Agreed.We know what needs to be done, don't vote for her. If she is the best parliamentary candidate in the Brighton constituency, that is more of a reflection of those who stood against her at the last election.
May be hard for some PH'ers to understand but people are entitled to hold other views.
Countdown said:
Eric Mc said:
Even though I don't agree with roughly 99% of what she says, I am always worried about comments which contain the wish that "something needs to be done about him/her".
We know what needs to be done, don't vote for her. If she is the best parliamentary candidate in the Brighton constituency, that is more of a reflection of those who stood against her at the last election.
Agreed.We know what needs to be done, don't vote for her. If she is the best parliamentary candidate in the Brighton constituency, that is more of a reflection of those who stood against her at the last election.
May be hard for some PH'ers to understand but people are entitled to hold other views.
turbobloke said:
We know, this is is the entitlement generation, meanwhile PHers are entitled to point it out when the views held are delusional.
Of course they are. What the problem seems to be is when they confuse their own opinions with FACT and therefore anybody who disagrees with them is factually incorrect.For example, agreeing with Tory policies does not make Labour policies incorrect. It just means that a person prefers what the Tories are selling. There is, at least with politics, no absolute wrong or right. In the same way Mrs Lucas's views might not be what the PH majority want - that odesn't necessarily make her wrong.
Eric Mc said:
audidoody said:
Astronut said:
Ianyone using the term 'Green' whilst referring to the pseudo-industry that has sprung from the worst abuse of 'science' in human history, should be euthenased on the spot. So there.
Please may I buy the copyright to use this wonderful sentence freely and across all media for the next 50 years.
Countdown said:
turbobloke said:
We know, this is is the entitlement generation, meanwhile PHers are entitled to point it out when the views held are delusional.
Of course they are. What the problem seems to be is when they confuse their own opinions with FACT and therefore anybody who disagrees with them is factually incorrect.mybrainhurts said:
wikiwacky said:
Lucas was educated at Malvern Girls' College (which became Malvern St James in 2006), an independent school in Great Malvern. She then went to the University of Exeter, where she gained a first-class BA (Hons) in English Literature, which she completed in 1983. While there, she went on many trips to Greenham Common and Molesworth when involved with CND. She took a scholarship at the University of Kansas between 1983 and 1984 before doing a Diploma of Journalism in 1987. She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance.
Well, maybe not, but you know what I mean.
turbobloke said:
Countdown said:
turbobloke said:
We know, this is is the entitlement generation, meanwhile PHers are entitled to point it out when the views held are delusional.
Of course they are. What the problem seems to be is when they confuse their own opinions with FACT and therefore anybody who disagrees with them is factually incorrect.
Countdown said:
turbobloke said:
Countdown said:
turbobloke said:
We know, this is is the entitlement generation, meanwhile PHers are entitled to point it out when the views held are delusional.
Of course they are. What the problem seems to be is when they confuse their own opinions with FACT and therefore anybody who disagrees with them is factually incorrect.Hopefully you were only trying and failing to score a cheap point, rather than contesting the delusion when people like Lucas believe in non-existent manmadeup global warming.
turbobloke said:
How funny that wasn't. But then, you may be factually incorrect.
Hopefully you were only trying and failing to score a cheap point, rather than contesting the delusion when people like Lucas believe in non-existent manmadeup global warming.
The point I was trying to make (cheap or otherwise) that what Person A states as fact may appear to Person B as delusional. Of course Person A will try to justify it by quoting umpteen different theories and choosing to mock theories that don't agree with their own opinions.Hopefully you were only trying and failing to score a cheap point, rather than contesting the delusion when people like Lucas believe in non-existent manmadeup global warming.
Take MMGW for example; there is a body of evidence that suggests its false. There is other evidence that suggests that manmade global warming exists. Both versions consist of people looking at the evidence and making their own minds up. But as far as I can see neither has been empirically proven yet so, as far as I'm concerned, it's not "fact".
Countdown said:
Take MMGW for example; there is a body of evidence that suggests its false. There is other evidence that suggests that manmade global warming exists. Both versions consist of people looking at the evidence and making their own minds up. But as far as I can see neither has been empirically proven yet so, as far as I'm concerned, it's not "fact".
There is very little fact. There are explanations of observations but that is about all. Newton explained gravity and everyone was happy. It was taken as fact. Einstein came along and suggested another explanation which could be tests. Newton, it would appear, was talking out of his telescope. That said, they flew to the moon using Newtonian physics but satnav needs Einstein.Everyone goes on about Darwin but On the Origin of Species has been 'developed' in the ensuing 150 years of course, DNA being just one process he was not aware of.
It didn't mean the observed phenomenon were wrong, just the the explanation lacked something.
Fact is self-delusion.
Countdown said:
turbobloke said:
How funny that wasn't. But then, you may be factually incorrect.
Hopefully you were only trying and failing to score a cheap point, rather than contesting the delusion when people like Lucas believe in non-existent manmadeup global warming.
The point I was trying to make (cheap or otherwise) that what Person A states as fact may appear to Person B as delusional.Hopefully you were only trying and failing to score a cheap point, rather than contesting the delusion when people like Lucas believe in non-existent manmadeup global warming.
There is no human signal visible in global climate data with established causality to anthropogenic carbon dioxide - beyond that it's a matter of heading off to the climate threads, but for here my point is that somebody who openly states a belief in something invisible and predicates ruinous actions upon it is fair game for being considered as delusional.
The parallel with religion isn't lost on me but again that's for another thread.
No matter, it's a minor issue in the wider scheme of things, the climate delusion only involves major loss of life and - barely less important - of freedoms and opportunity.
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