The Daily Mail Wants to Ban Porn
Discussion
dcb said:
Hopefully.
I can't help feeling that the DM is trying to advocate the technology
doing the parenting, instead of the parents doing the parenting
and controlling what their children see.
That's what confuses me about this - generally the Wail are very anti "Feckless Parenting" but this really does scream abrogation of responsibility for the masses. I can't help feeling that the DM is trying to advocate the technology
doing the parenting, instead of the parents doing the parenting
and controlling what their children see.
Because the technology that will be used for this is identical to the technology used to limit internet access in China, but with no legal consequences for circumventing it, any filtering will be burst wide open within hours, if not minutes, of implementation.
And I think that will probably mean more porn, rather than less, will get to the children since it'll be as cool as smoking.
Starfighter said:
I have 1 in secondary school and we had an invite in to talk on line security from the local BiB. They showed some fairly horrific examples of stuff posted on line, all underage, all self-posted and outside of the types of service normall associated with on-line porn.
Emotional stuff.Starfighter said:
I'm happy to block at the ISP level and give those who want it an opt-in.
How do you propose blocking data with simple techniques like just a single layer of encryption or steganography applied?Starfighter said:
Blocking at the router is new on me, can anyone point me in the right direction please.
Oh, I see. 
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Tiggsy said:
The current situation is like having 18 rated films shown on bbc1 during the day and jut telling parents to deal with it
I think it's more like giving a child unhindered access to a sex shop and being surprised when they pick up a porno DVD instead of reading a piece of paper near the till on a planning permission application for an extension over the road.Access to the web is as about as open as TV.
My kids need to access the web for homework, so I can't stand over them every time they use it. Some of the homework is actually done on the web as apposed to using it for research.
Personally I just use k9 on the PC's, but its not something I can install on our ipad, or our phone. A filter from our ISP's would sort that. All it needs is a simple password if you need a w
k that much.
mrmr96 said:
I think the "false sense of security" is correct. There are no effective technical means to effectively block adult content by ISP's in such a way that "all adult content, and nothing non-adult, is blocked". To put a system in place which claims to block such content would be misleading, because the kids will find a way around it and then the parents will moan twice as loudly.
Want a holiday to Shorpe or Clithero, have a business with internet presence in either of those places or any others where an adult word appears in the name and you are stuffed, banned access. Engineer1 said:
Want a holiday to Shorpe or Clithero, have a business with internet presence in either of those places or any others where an adult word appears in the name and you are stuffed, banned access.
Conversely, if you want access to this stuff, there isn't a computer on the planet that can provide a block.horpe or Clithero, have a business with internet presence in either of those places or any others where an adult word appears in the name and you are stuffed, banned access. 98elise said:
Personally I just use k9 on the PC's, but its not something I can install on our ipad, or our phone. A filter from our ISP's would sort that. All it needs is a simple password if you need a wk that much.
Yeah, a simple password on your ipad or phone to stop your kids using it unsupervised. Oh what's that, it's only ok if other people are inconvenienced?k that much.The ISPs will not agree to this as they have not agreed to any other sort of content filtering, as it sets a precedent which would make them liable for what people look at / do online. Looking at child porn? Downloading films illegally? The ISP shouldn't have allowed it. It will become a defence to say "not my fault, I thought if I could see it it was legal".
Won't happen. They've a long history of fighting off moves such as this, one is suggested every couple of years or so.
Halb said:
Can you really see anything that bad without a credit card?
Seriously? This is the point those saying "but the Mail have pics of girls in bras" are missing. No one minds that young people will stumble over sexual images, they may even seek them out....this is normal. In 1980 if a 10 year old wanted to see something he'd look in his mums clothing catalogue....at 12 he might find a softcore magazine in the woods with his mates and at 14 he might see a "Roger the Plumber" type VHS.....a few years later and he's having sex with someone asking if they'd like him to grow a moustache and carry a wrench. The issue today is that an 8 year old with an ipad can see women being triple penetrated while spat on and tied up.....god knows what the implication are but when they have sex a few years later I pity the girl who's going to be asked why she's so fussy about gagging.Is the solution ISP or parent - who knows, but it IS an issue to address.
Tiggsy said:
Seriously? This is the point those saying "but the Mail have pics of girls in bras" are missing. No one minds that young people will stumble over sexual images, they may even seek them out....this is normal. In 1980 if a 10 year old wanted to see something he'd look in his mums clothing catalogue....at 12 he might find a softcore magazine in the woods with his mates and at 14 he might see a "Roger the Plumber" type VHS.....a few years later and he's having sex with someone asking if they'd like him to grow a moustache and carry a wrench. The issue today is that an 8 year old with an ipad can see women being triple penetrated while spat on and tied up.....god knows what the implication are but when they have sex a few years later I pity the girl who's going to be asked why she's so fussy about gagging.
Is the solution ISP or parent - who knows, but it IS an issue to address.
It's a very real issue, but I suspect it wont be addressed. The ISPs wont have it, and many parents are clearly not going to sort it out. So I think it'll be left, and society will simply adjust to the new reality. I don't think you can put the genie back in the bottle, certainly not with a technical solution. An ISP level block will be circumvented within days, these things always are. Is the solution ISP or parent - who knows, but it IS an issue to address.
The issue is people and their private behaviour, which is very difficult to change, unless they buy into it.
Thanks commander Jameson, I believe you.
What you describe above it not acceptable I feel. The issue of where blame lies is a tricky one.
Tiggsy said:
Seriously? The issue today is that an 8 year old with an ipad can see women being triple penetrated while spat on and tied up.....
I didn't realise one could. I may have looked at some porn (The hun?) when I first started using the net way back, but it got boring after two minutes (I'm not a stayer) and have never bothered with it since. I prefer real girls. It's all slipped by me.What you describe above it not acceptable I feel. The issue of where blame lies is a tricky one.
Halb said:
The issue of where blame lies is a tricky one.
Blame? There is no blame to apportion, only responsibility. It is the responsibility of parents to ensure that their children are not exposed to material unsuitable for their age.
ISPs should merely take this as an opportunity to develop a product enabling parents to do so and crow about how great they are for offering it.
There should be no opt outs on content blocking, only opt ins.
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