Rodney King dead
Discussion
Negative Creep said:
johnnyboy101 said:
O yes what a genius you are claiming that if they had recorded a white guy getting beaten nobody would of got charged, you my 'friend' are delusional.
Negative Creep said:
No I'm not. If it was a white person they still would have been charged, it's just that a section of their community wouldn't have gone on a rampage afterwards. Oh, and it's "would have" by the way, no "would of". It's a shame you don't want to be my friend, although if it make you feel better I'll let you beat me up for $3.8 million.
To your first comment.johnnyboy101 said:
Clearly you are missing the point what he did before and after was wrong but largely irrelevant. You have been unable to see it was effectively a racist attack my the police, I would love for you to justify them saying 'We are going to kill you, n***er', they nearly killed the guy the difference here being these are the Police people who are supposed to be the law.
If you can I would advise you to remove that chip from your shoulder.
I'm not justifying the Police actions, even after he physically resisted and refused to lay down after being threatened with a Taser. I can't find a source for that quote though, and the video itself doesn't pick up what was said. Clearly you still feel he's a noble figure , instead of a criminal whose cause was jumped on by the likes of Jesse Jackson and other "leaders" who do race relations more harm than good.If you can I would advise you to remove that chip from your shoulder.
And you know a section of their community WOULD NOT have gone on a rampage because... Oh I see you can see into the future now so I guess you are a genius then.
Yes of course I want to beat you up because I am black right? Tbh your argument is weak and you are digging yourself a hole. Everyone can see by your posts what a small minded person you are, and I can only hope one day you will pick up a history book and educate yourself on such topics, until then please keep your ignorance to yourself.
Ok I get it, because he tried to get up after the police said they are going to kill him he deserved to nearly get beaten to death. Look at the video he has his hands in the air to emphasize he meant no harm, but now I can safely assume you have selective amnesia.
I have explained this enough but it will clearly not register with you so am not going to again.
martin84 said:
On the positive side it shows how far we've come as a country. It must be hard for many people who live in the UK to understand the sheer scale of racial issues which existed in the early 90s and before in the US - and still exist today, black President or otherwise. For people to think things like the 92 LA Riots happened for no good reason then those people obviously live in a country where these problems largely don't exist.
Still need a history lesson though.
Yep it is great how multicultural we have become and it is easy to become complacent in the sense that we forget how terrible everything once was. It is just a shame that riots have benefits in some cases as they force people to listen but of course it should never get that far.Still need a history lesson though.
Edited by martin84 on Monday 18th June 00:29
Sensible people among us could sit and explain to Negative Creep why white people wouldn't have rioted in 1992 if Rodney King was white, but the mere fact we're having this conversation suggests we wouldn't get very far. The answer to his question is so obvious - to sensible people - that I don't think I really need to say it.
johnnyboy101 said:
martin84 said:
On the positive side it shows how far we've come as a country. It must be hard for many people who live in the UK to understand the sheer scale of racial issues which existed in the early 90s and before in the US - and still exist today, black President or otherwise. For people to think things like the 92 LA Riots happened for no good reason then those people obviously live in a country where these problems largely don't exist.
Still need a history lesson though.
Yep it is great how multicultural we have become and it is easy to become complacent in the sense that we forget how terrible everything once was. It is just a shame that riots have benefits in some cases as they force people to listen but of course it should never get that far.Still need a history lesson though.
Edited by martin84 on Monday 18th June 00:29
There wasn't rioting because he was arrested.
There was rioting because the police who beat the s
t out of him in what was essentially an attack with racist elements were acquitted of charges.
Whether or not he was guilty on the night in question are not the issue. He was.
The issue was it brought to a head years of police brutality and institutional racism. Leave something to fester for long enough and it will explode.
There was rioting because the police who beat the s
t out of him in what was essentially an attack with racist elements were acquitted of charges. Whether or not he was guilty on the night in question are not the issue. He was.
The issue was it brought to a head years of police brutality and institutional racism. Leave something to fester for long enough and it will explode.
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
johnnyboy101 said:
Negative Creep said:
That poor guy, being picked on by those nasty police officers. All he did was drink drive, attempt to out run cops, resist arrest and have a prior conviction for robbery.
Could you please go back to your nissan bluebird and never come out, because it's people like you who make comments like that about somebody they dont even know who do not deserve a place in the society. How small minded can you get? a) TRUE: nasty police officers - they should not have beaten the cr8p out of him, despite him being a difficult customer for want of a better description.
b) TRUE: drink drive, attempt to out run cops, resist arrest - note that his passengers didn't get the same treatment.
c) TRUE: prior conviction for robbery - threatened a shopkeeper with a baseball bat, and beat him with a pole.
In summary Mr King wasn't exactly the best candidate for the civil rights movement. If one was to make a comparison with the bus driver thread - both the Police and Mr King had a Duty of Care to Mr King - and both failed to provide it.
Edited: sarcasm!=irony
Edited by fido on Monday 18th June 15:08
rohrl said:
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not. I am also pointing out that looting and burning one's own neighborhood to the ground is a rather ignorant and selfish way in which to voice one's dismay. I still contend that the majority of black peoples' problems are their own making. After two generations of preferential treatment and still having the shocking statistics we have allows for no excuses. Personal responsibility must come about at some point. As for Katrina / New Orleans, it is best for you to not speak of things you know little about or garnered from crappy news coverage. You are way off base there. I will continue to say it how I see it; I do not cater to what is fashionable or P.C.Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
Jimbeaux said:
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not. I am also pointing out that looting and burning one's own neighborhood to the ground is a rather ignorant and selfish way in which to voice one's dismay. I still contend that the majority of black peoples' problems are their own making. After two generations of preferential treatment and still having the shocking statistics we have allows for no excuses. Personal responsibility must come about at some point.......
I used to work with a black American on one ship I was on, nice guy, very smart, no gang banger home boy type tendencies or any of that stuff. He mentioned several times in conversation that the biggest problems black people face in the USA is the massive chip they all carry on their shoulder. Unfortunately, he too carried one, as he demonstrated a couple of times when drunk and started abusing all us 'crackers' and coming out with the old 'Just because I'm black' line in as many conversations as he could fit it.
Up to that point nobody had treated him any different than any of the rest of the English, US, Brazilian, Filipino, Australian, Mexican, and Nigerian crew. But this singular 'because I'm black' attitude then put him in a separate division. HE was the only racist on that ship.
King Herald said:
Jimbeaux said:
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not. I am also pointing out that looting and burning one's own neighborhood to the ground is a rather ignorant and selfish way in which to voice one's dismay. I still contend that the majority of black peoples' problems are their own making. After two generations of preferential treatment and still having the shocking statistics we have allows for no excuses. Personal responsibility must come about at some point.......
I used to work with a black American on one ship I was on, nice guy, very smart, no gang banger home boy type tendencies or any of that stuff. He mentioned several times in conversation that the biggest problems black people face in the USA is the massive chip they all carry on their shoulder. Unfortunately, he too carried one, as he demonstrated a couple of times when drunk and started abusing all us 'crackers' and coming out with the old 'Just because I'm black' line in as many conversations as he could fit it.
Up to that point nobody had treated him any different than any of the rest of the English, US, Brazilian, Filipino, Australian, Mexican, and Nigerian crew. But this singular 'because I'm black' attitude then put him in a separate division. HE was the only racist on that ship.
Good riddance.
Disgusting lifetime criminal/crook that had everything from assault/attempted rape/drugs and the rest under his belt.
I'll say it - He deserved his beating.
Had he run over your kid that night, believe me, you'd be wanting to do more than just kick and baton him.
ETA: You'll notice I don't give a f8ck about his colour race etc and haven't mentioned it in the above.... so don't come back with some PC bull5hit.
Disgusting lifetime criminal/crook that had everything from assault/attempted rape/drugs and the rest under his belt.
I'll say it - He deserved his beating.
Had he run over your kid that night, believe me, you'd be wanting to do more than just kick and baton him.
ETA: You'll notice I don't give a f8ck about his colour race etc and haven't mentioned it in the above.... so don't come back with some PC bull5hit.
Murcielago_Boy said:
I'll say it - He deserved his beating.
Fame and fortune aside, there are a good few PHers who advocate the above treatment for many of England's repeat-offender aholes and ne'verdowells. A damn good kicking might sort some of their heads out. Some of the chav yobs and hooligans simply do nut understand the standard system of justice. Preferably without CNN filming it.
Interesting view-points...
On one side - a very nasty piece of work, (and frankly deservered a decent hiding- I'm fairly sure the recipients of his attempted rapes and beatings didn't shed too many tears seeing the video), a fact which was/is frequently overlooked by the media.
But on the other side at the end of the day the police are there up up-hold the law, and on that night, after no doubt after a frustrating chase and resisting arrest, the police did appear to use excessive force, which is unacceptable for that role.
But neither provided excuses for what happened in the riots.
(And a good reason I never applied to be a police officer as I'm well aware I probably would end up in the dock following an 'over correction' of a scroat at some point)...
On one side - a very nasty piece of work, (and frankly deservered a decent hiding- I'm fairly sure the recipients of his attempted rapes and beatings didn't shed too many tears seeing the video), a fact which was/is frequently overlooked by the media.
But on the other side at the end of the day the police are there up up-hold the law, and on that night, after no doubt after a frustrating chase and resisting arrest, the police did appear to use excessive force, which is unacceptable for that role.
But neither provided excuses for what happened in the riots.
(And a good reason I never applied to be a police officer as I'm well aware I probably would end up in the dock following an 'over correction' of a scroat at some point)...
Jimbeaux said:
rohrl said:
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not.Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
What next?...."them gays get more rights than us"
Tiggsy said:
Jimbeaux said:
rohrl said:
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not.Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
What next?...."them gays get more rights than us"
Tiggsy said:
Jimbeaux said:
rohrl said:
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not.Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
Randy Winkman said:
Tiggsy said:
Jimbeaux said:
rohrl said:
Negative Creep - Your comments are just moronic. There wouldn't have been riots if it had been a white person arrested for DUI because a white person being arrested for DUI wouldn't have been viciously beaten by several members of the LAPD.
Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
I do not deny racism exists. I am pointing out that it is becoming more prevelant the other way, which is still racism like it or not.Jimbeaux - No surprise to see you here effectively denying that racism exists and blaming all the problems black people face in the USA on black people themselves. See New Orleans floods, Trayvon Martin, any number of other incidents.
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