Your accomodation for the Olympics is ready Gentlemen,....
Discussion
Jasandjules said:
longshot said:
How long will it be before on of our Army boys has finally had enough and uses his "skills" on a few of them?
That will not happen.Can anyone explain why G4S isn't being required to pay for hotels for the troops?
Why is that so difficult to see?
Jasandjules said:
longshot said:
How long will it be before on of our Army boys has finally had enough and uses his "skills" on a few of them?
That will not happen.Can anyone explain why G4S isn't being required to pay for hotels for the troops?
.I wasn't being serious.
DSM2 said:
Jasandjules said:
longshot said:
How long will it be before on of our Army boys has finally had enough and uses his "skills" on a few of them?
That will not happen.Can anyone explain why G4S isn't being required to pay for hotels for the troops?
Why is that so difficult to see?
There might be contributing factors from LOCOG which has made G4S's obligations more difficult to fulfil, but IMO blame lies squarely on G4S shoulders.
As for the poor soldiers who now find themselves in a hanger rather than being at home, anybody else would have just walked from their job.
In reality how many soldiers will be staying in that hangar and for how long?
There are large barracks at Colchester and others in London. Plenty within a commutable distance.
I'd love to see some factual evidence that soldiers are coming back from Afghan and straight into Olympic duties!
There are large barracks at Colchester and others in London. Plenty within a commutable distance.
I'd love to see some factual evidence that soldiers are coming back from Afghan and straight into Olympic duties!
From what I can see - there are a lot of idiots in this thread who need to experience military life.
The last thing you want to do is stag on at the olympics when you've just lost 7 months of your life away from family/friends in an extremely hostile place. 4 weeks leave is what were given in return, but most of these soldiers will end up having half that. Do you think thats a fair exchange? If so, then sign up. I dare you.
What you aren't thinking about is the remaining troops who will require to do additional weeks in theatre, waiting for their replacements because of this fiasco putting back training.
A soldier does what he's told, thats discipline. That's part of being a soldier. It doesn't mean that give the government a god given right to abuse them like this because someone messed up.
Heres another 50p.. CMD came out to Afghan - He caused all welfare communications to be cut off 'for his security' and caused worry to families and friends - That isn't in the contract either...
The last thing you want to do is stag on at the olympics when you've just lost 7 months of your life away from family/friends in an extremely hostile place. 4 weeks leave is what were given in return, but most of these soldiers will end up having half that. Do you think thats a fair exchange? If so, then sign up. I dare you.
What you aren't thinking about is the remaining troops who will require to do additional weeks in theatre, waiting for their replacements because of this fiasco putting back training.
A soldier does what he's told, thats discipline. That's part of being a soldier. It doesn't mean that give the government a god given right to abuse them like this because someone messed up.
Heres another 50p.. CMD came out to Afghan - He caused all welfare communications to be cut off 'for his security' and caused worry to families and friends - That isn't in the contract either...
Buggles said:
petemurphy said:
what would all these soliers be doing if they werent doing olympic sec they cant all have had hols booked in barbados?
Probably taking some well deserved down time. Does anyone in this thread, actually think that we have a surplus of military staff, that are sitting around doing f
k all for months on end? You can't have 80k troops training ALL the time. Many are in their barrack etc doing what they do for their normal day job.
Buggles said:
eccles said:
There are certainly many soldiers that aren't doing a lot from day to day.
You can't have 80k troops training ALL the time. Many are in their barrack etc doing what they do for their normal day job.
Absolutely, which is what we call our harmony time. You can't have 80k troops training ALL the time. Many are in their barrack etc doing what they do for their normal day job.
Which basically means, time not doing deployments abroad. It doesn't mean that they aren't involved in UK based exercies/guard duties/parades e.t.c.
Unless you've served - and I'm not trying to do the PH thing of saying you can't have an opinion because you've not served - you have no idea of the amount of commitments that the military fulfill day to day.
There are many on here who seem to think that soldiers are either fighting or training and getting crapped on at all times.
Guard duties, parades, day to day training are the daily grind and are part and parcel of the job.
Buggles said:
eccles said:
There are certainly many soldiers that aren't doing a lot from day to day.
You can't have 80k troops training ALL the time. Many are in their barrack etc doing what they do for their normal day job.
Absolutely, which is what we call our harmony time. You can't have 80k troops training ALL the time. Many are in their barrack etc doing what they do for their normal day job.
Which basically means, time not doing deployments abroad. It doesn't mean that they aren't involved in UK based exercies/guard duties/parades e.t.c.
Unless you've served - and I'm not trying to do the PH thing of saying you can't have an opinion because you've not served - you have no idea of the amount of commitments that the military fulfill day to day.
I've watched Heartbreak Ridge.
I've seen what you guys get up to when you're not strutting around and shooting at stuff.
Buggles said:
eccles said:
Yes I have served and I work with the Army on a daily basis in my day job.
There are many on here who seem to think that soldiers are either fighting or training and getting crapped on at all times.
Guard duties, parades, day to day training are the daily grind and are part and parcel of the job.
They are yes, but making sure the Olympics is a success, as we can be called upon for free labour, most certainly isn't. There are many on here who seem to think that soldiers are either fighting or training and getting crapped on at all times.
Guard duties, parades, day to day training are the daily grind and are part and parcel of the job.
The Olympics, is another deployment, and one which is putting an extra strain on personnel who don't deserve it.
I've no doubt some operational troops will be used in the olympics, and I agree that is not fair, but there are plenty of troops in cushy jobs who can fill in.
Going off topic a little here but I see the Forces in the same light as people like nurses.
It's more towards a vocation than a profession.
Knowing people who work within the NHS, I have seen how all the extra crap that has been dropped on them has taken it's toll and their enthusiasm for what they do is disappearing.
Our forces are in danger of having the same having done to them.
Like nurses, we rely on people signing up and getting on with it, but like nursing we could see a time where they start to struggle recruitement wise because people feel it's just not worth it anymore.
I don't know, just a thought.
It's more towards a vocation than a profession.
Knowing people who work within the NHS, I have seen how all the extra crap that has been dropped on them has taken it's toll and their enthusiasm for what they do is disappearing.
Our forces are in danger of having the same having done to them.
Like nurses, we rely on people signing up and getting on with it, but like nursing we could see a time where they start to struggle recruitement wise because people feel it's just not worth it anymore.
I don't know, just a thought.
longshot said:
Going off topic a little here but I see the Forces in the same light as people like nurses.
It's more towards a vocation than a profession.
Knowing people who work within the NHS, I have seen how all the extra crap that has been dropped on them has taken it's toll and their enthusiasm for what they do is disappearing.
Our forces are in danger of having the same having done to them.
Like nurses, we rely on people signing up and getting on with it, but like nursing we could see a time where they start to struggle recruitement wise because people feel it's just not worth it anymore.
I don't know, just a thought.
I agree totally, but whilst there is a recession and no other jobs around these sectors will always be over subscribed.It's more towards a vocation than a profession.
Knowing people who work within the NHS, I have seen how all the extra crap that has been dropped on them has taken it's toll and their enthusiasm for what they do is disappearing.
Our forces are in danger of having the same having done to them.
Like nurses, we rely on people signing up and getting on with it, but like nursing we could see a time where they start to struggle recruitement wise because people feel it's just not worth it anymore.
I don't know, just a thought.
When things pick up I think we'll see a difference.
eccles said:
longshot said:
Going off topic a little here but I see the Forces in the same light as people like nurses.
It's more towards a vocation than a profession.
Knowing people who work within the NHS, I have seen how all the extra crap that has been dropped on them has taken it's toll and their enthusiasm for what they do is disappearing.
Our forces are in danger of having the same having done to them.
Like nurses, we rely on people signing up and getting on with it, but like nursing we could see a time where they start to struggle recruitement wise because people feel it's just not worth it anymore.
I don't know, just a thought.
I agree totally, but whilst there is a recession and no other jobs around these sectors will always be over subscribed.It's more towards a vocation than a profession.
Knowing people who work within the NHS, I have seen how all the extra crap that has been dropped on them has taken it's toll and their enthusiasm for what they do is disappearing.
Our forces are in danger of having the same having done to them.
Like nurses, we rely on people signing up and getting on with it, but like nursing we could see a time where they start to struggle recruitement wise because people feel it's just not worth it anymore.
I don't know, just a thought.
When things pick up I think we'll see a difference.
Anyway.....
andy_s said:
I've served, it was a damn sight less busy in my day but I'd have still been decked off with a short notice cancelled leave duty like this.
I've every sympathy for the lads getting dicked with this; a right pain in the 'arris.
Absolutely, but I don't think they can realistically expect better accommodation. I'm surprised one of the sponsors (or even their competitors) hasn't stepped in with a well publicised perk of some sort.I've every sympathy for the lads getting dicked with this; a right pain in the 'arris.
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