Cyclist killed by Olympic bus
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>Wasn't wearing a helmet. Why would you not wear a helmet on your bike especially in London.
Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Oversteer said:
>Wasn't wearing a helmet. Why would you not wear a helmet on your bike especially in London.
Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Does that not say more about you though!Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Look at it this way, let assume that the bus driver has done nothing wrong, and that the cyclist died of head injuries alone, that could have been avoided had he worn a helmet. The bus driver has to live with that death for the rest of his life, despite the fact it was not his fault. Back to reality.
As said I cant see why anyone would not wear a helmet when mixing with heavy traffic
Oversteer said:
>Wasn't wearing a helmet. Why would you not wear a helmet on your bike especially in London.
Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Get ready to hang up your lycra then. Sir Bradley Wiggins has said that it should be made law that all cyclists should wear a helmet.Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
The govt will leap onto this one and pass a law that the 'country wants' because we all love 'Wiggo'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-190908...
Also quoted from Bradley , something that cyclists and drivers should read every day just before they get on their bike / get behind the wheel.
"But at the end of the day we've all got to co-exist on the roads. Cyclists are not ever going to go away, as much as drivers moan, and as much as cyclists maybe moan about certain drivers they are never going to go away, so there's got to be a bit of give and take."
Edited by Zaxxon on Thursday 2nd August 11:22
Edited by Zaxxon on Thursday 2nd August 11:26
KrazyIvan said:
Oversteer said:
>Wasn't wearing a helmet. Why would you not wear a helmet on your bike especially in London.
Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Does that not say more about you though!Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Look at it this way, let assume that the bus driver has done nothing wrong, and that the cyclist died of head injuries alone, that could have been avoided had he worn a helmet. The bus driver has to live with that death for the rest of his life, despite the fact it was not his fault. Back to reality.
As said I cant see why anyone would not wear a helmet when mixing with heavy traffic
Helmets are cheap compared to heads.
Our service buses have cameras, information includes speed brakes on indicating . We had a guy walk of the pavement into the front of one of ours, at the time he said sorry my fault etc not looking. Coupe of weeks later we have a letter from solicitors we knocked him over, allowed them to view the CCTV, heard no more about it, as we tell our drivers the cameras help you as well as "hang" you. I'm sure this bus will have had CCTV so a review of that will show what happened and if the driver is at fault or not
Oversteer said:
>Wasn't wearing a helmet. Why would you not wear a helmet on your bike especially in London.
Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Do you wear a seat belt in your car (assume you drive this being PHs)?Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
The only problem I see about it becoming law is the price of helmets will spiral!
However, this is all beside the point. A helmet would not have helped.
The poor person who died would have needed carbon-fibre body armour to have survived...
...the bus wheel/tyre went over his torso.
Oversteer said:
>Wasn't wearing a helmet. Why would you not wear a helmet on your bike especially in London.
Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Do you also flout the seatbelt law when driving for similar reasons of pointless defiance?Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Same difference IMO. I thought Wiggins' comment was spot-on. It's about time cyclists took more responsibility for their own safety (I'm an avid driver and cyclist, but I wouldn't ride my bike without a helmet in the same way I wouldn't drive my car without a seatbelt) and if the police ticked cyclists off for listening to iPods and not wearing helmets, maybe they'd think twice about running red lights and riding without lamps as well.
Alternatively, he could have put up the usual Brake defence, blamed all cyclists' deaths on motorists and called for cars to be banned from city centres.
That Reddit post is so raw 
It sounds as though he went under the front wheel, in which case, surely he would have been visible to the bus driver despite his positioning.
I dare say that post should be posted on billboards across London, I'm not sure whether some people actually realise what they're doing is incredibly dangerous, I've flinched a good few times and even told someone not to do it. It's so dangerous and you save about 5 seconds every time - it's not worth it.
It sounds as though he went under the front wheel, in which case, surely he would have been visible to the bus driver despite his positioning.I dare say that post should be posted on billboards across London, I'm not sure whether some people actually realise what they're doing is incredibly dangerous, I've flinched a good few times and even told someone not to do it. It's so dangerous and you save about 5 seconds every time - it's not worth it.
KrazyIvan said:
Does that not say more about you though!
Look at it this way, let assume that the bus driver has done nothing wrong, and that the cyclist died of head injuries alone, that could have been avoided had he worn a helmet. The bus driver has to live with that death for the rest of his life, despite the fact it was not his fault. Back to reality.
As said I cant see why anyone would not wear a helmet when mixing with heavy traffic
Read the eyewitness account. A helmet would not have helped whatsoever, the guy got mangled under the rear wheels.Look at it this way, let assume that the bus driver has done nothing wrong, and that the cyclist died of head injuries alone, that could have been avoided had he worn a helmet. The bus driver has to live with that death for the rest of his life, despite the fact it was not his fault. Back to reality.
As said I cant see why anyone would not wear a helmet when mixing with heavy traffic
Smart Mart said:
This was going round on Twitter this morning, posted on a cycling forum.
http://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/xiud7/j...
I cycle 12 miles a day in london, reading this has had quite a profound effect. Utterly horrible accident, no need for people to play the blame game. RIP dude and thoughts go out to your family and friends.http://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/xiud7/j...
dandarez said:
Do you wear a seat belt in your car (assume you drive this being PHs)?
Not a valid comparison. More like "do you wear a helmet whilst driving or walking?".It has been shown (can't be bothered to find the link) that helmets benefit pedestrians and drivers more than they do cyclists.
Targarama said:
KrazyIvan said:
Does that not say more about you though!
Look at it this way, let assume that the bus driver has done nothing wrong, and that the cyclist died of head injuries alone, that could have been avoided had he worn a helmet. The bus driver has to live with that death for the rest of his life, despite the fact it was not his fault. Back to reality.
As said I cant see why anyone would not wear a helmet when mixing with heavy traffic
Read the eyewitness account. A helmet would not have helped whatsoever, the guy got mangled under the rear wheels.Look at it this way, let assume that the bus driver has done nothing wrong, and that the cyclist died of head injuries alone, that could have been avoided had he worn a helmet. The bus driver has to live with that death for the rest of his life, despite the fact it was not his fault. Back to reality.
As said I cant see why anyone would not wear a helmet when mixing with heavy traffic
And as has been said, this is not the thread for the "helmets are good/bad" debate.
Twincam16 said:
Do you also flout the seatbelt law when driving for similar reasons of pointless defiance?
Same difference IMO. I thought Wiggins' comment was spot-on. It's about time cyclists took more responsibility for their own safety (I'm an avid driver and cyclist, but I wouldn't ride my bike without a helmet in the same way I wouldn't drive my car without a seatbelt) and if the police ticked cyclists off for listening to iPods and not wearing helmets, maybe they'd think twice about running red lights and riding without lamps as well.
Alternatively, he could have put up the usual Brake defence, blamed all cyclists' deaths on motorists and called for cars to be banned from city centres.
Whilst I think Bradley is currently the greatest living Britain, I also beleive that every single survey ever done shows that if you introduce legislation like helmets then cyclist numbers go down, and every single survey shows that cyclists are safer in greater numbers and less safe in lesser numbers.Same difference IMO. I thought Wiggins' comment was spot-on. It's about time cyclists took more responsibility for their own safety (I'm an avid driver and cyclist, but I wouldn't ride my bike without a helmet in the same way I wouldn't drive my car without a seatbelt) and if the police ticked cyclists off for listening to iPods and not wearing helmets, maybe they'd think twice about running red lights and riding without lamps as well.
Alternatively, he could have put up the usual Brake defence, blamed all cyclists' deaths on motorists and called for cars to be banned from city centres.
So whilst Bradley talks a lot of sense I believe that barely 1 single survey backs up his stance on helmets.
Zaxxon said:
Oversteer said:
>Wasn't wearing a helmet. Why would you not wear a helmet on your bike especially in London.
Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
Get ready to hang up your lycra then. Sir Bradley Wiggins has said that it should be made law that all cyclists should wear a helmet.Because you're an adult who has made a decision. I used to ride across London every weekday
without a helmet and if I were forced by law to wear one then I would never ride a bike in
this country ever again.
The govt will leap onto this one and pass a law that the 'country wants' because we all love 'Wiggo'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-190908...
Although I cannot see how wearing a helmet would save his life after being dragged under the wheel of a bus.What time was this? Did the cyclist have lights? Maybe that is why the bus drive continued to turn because he did not see him?
And one of the PHers said that buses have CCTV so lets see what the footage says.
BTW: Many hundreds including children are killed by buses or their own stupidity so its rather strange that this could be the change of things.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=london&hl=en&...
This looks to be the junction. I have no idea whether the road markings are still the same now though.
This looks to be the junction. I have no idea whether the road markings are still the same now though.
heebeegeetee said:
Twincam16 said:
Do you also flout the seatbelt law when driving for similar reasons of pointless defiance?
Same difference IMO. I thought Wiggins' comment was spot-on. It's about time cyclists took more responsibility for their own safety (I'm an avid driver and cyclist, but I wouldn't ride my bike without a helmet in the same way I wouldn't drive my car without a seatbelt) and if the police ticked cyclists off for listening to iPods and not wearing helmets, maybe they'd think twice about running red lights and riding without lamps as well.
Alternatively, he could have put up the usual Brake defence, blamed all cyclists' deaths on motorists and called for cars to be banned from city centres.
Whilst I think Bradley is currently the greatest living Britain, I also beleive that every single survey ever done shows that if you introduce legislation like helmets then cyclist numbers go down, and every single survey shows that cyclists are safer in greater numbers and less safe in lesser numbers.Same difference IMO. I thought Wiggins' comment was spot-on. It's about time cyclists took more responsibility for their own safety (I'm an avid driver and cyclist, but I wouldn't ride my bike without a helmet in the same way I wouldn't drive my car without a seatbelt) and if the police ticked cyclists off for listening to iPods and not wearing helmets, maybe they'd think twice about running red lights and riding without lamps as well.
Alternatively, he could have put up the usual Brake defence, blamed all cyclists' deaths on motorists and called for cars to be banned from city centres.
So whilst Bradley talks a lot of sense I believe that barely 1 single survey backs up his stance on helmets.
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