Mensch sends rejections letter to Cameron

[Use Psychology]

Esseesse said:

+1

No thanks anyone who has taken class A drugs, especially not those who have no shame in openly talking about it.

oh dear. oh dear oh dear.

no different from saying 'good riddance to all those who eat pork' or 'I HATE VEGETARIANS'

what people do with their own body is their decision, your opinion is irrelevant. There was zero impact on you from Mensch taking drugs whatsoever.

[elster]

pablo said:

Whilst she hasnt done herself any favours with some of her comments and opinions, I dont think she has been pushed out of this by a hate mob.

Mensch comes across as a very strong and independant woman and often cited Thatcher as a big influence on her life. In the face of such criticism, Thatcher relished the fight and it always apperared that Mensch would do likewise. She appereared to have strong political aspirations and was by all accounts well respected in the house.

I suspect there is more to this than a few nasty tweets from whiney Grauniad readers....

I suppose the death threats would have an impact, when someone says which child do you want to save and I'll kill the other...

[oyster]

Esseesse said:

V8mate said:

Good riddance too.

+1

No thanks anyone who has taken class A drugs, especially not those who have no shame in openly talking about it.

You mean you'd prefer one who'd lied and covered-up about it?

[crankedup]

Andy Sawford is to be the Labour candidate, so that's a conservative seat gone for sure.
edit to add link : www.party.coop/person/andysawford/

Edited by crankedup on Monday 6th August 17:19

[to3m]

oyster said:

Esseesse said:

V8mate said:

Good riddance too.

+1

No thanks anyone who has taken class A drugs, especially not those who have no shame in openly talking about it.

You mean you'd prefer one who'd lied and covered-up about it?

I think he just doesn't want to risk having to listen to any more long and boring stories about that time somebody took drugs and they were so mashed and something happened.

[Derek Smith]

martin84 said:

I think the word is 'resignation' rather than 'rejection.'

It was a bit of a pun on the thread: Dirl send rejection letter to Oxford.

I don't do subtle too well evidently.

[elster]

Use Psychology said:

Esseesse said:

+1

No thanks anyone who has taken class A drugs, especially not those who have no shame in openly talking about it.

oh dear. oh dear oh dear.

no different from saying 'good riddance to all those who eat pork' or 'I HATE VEGETARIANS'

what people do with their own body is their decision, your opinion is irrelevant. There was zero impact on you from Mensch taking drugs whatsoever.

[martin84]

What people think of Mensch is quite irrelevant, losing Mensch isn't really Cameron's problem. His problem is her Corby seat is a very marginal one which the Tories would really not want to fight an election in this year.

[StephenM44]

martin84 said:

...losing Mensch isn't really Cameron's problem.

I think losing her is our problem, she's one of very few MPs who had a chance of going further without being there simply to tow the party line and keep her snout in the trough. She was individual and outspoken . . . we don't all perhaps agree with everything she said but she's one of a new breed of MPs which I would really like to see a lot more of, left or right wing.

There was a play on R4 on Sunday and one phrase struck me . . . something like "The greater the difference between you and the rest, the more they hate you and the ones who hate the most are the least intelligent". I think this applies to MPs these days, they are, on the whole, a collection of yes men, all deeply involved in one faction or another, following whoever they think might give them a better seat or deal in 3-5 years time, very few of them thinking of their country and people. Louise Mensch was a little bit different and definitely stood out from the crowd so collected more than her fair share of idiots, haters and loony critics.

[martin84]

StephenM44 said:

I think losing her is our problem, she's one of very few MPs who had a chance of going further without being there simply to tow the party line and keep her snout in the trough. She was individual and outspoken . . . we don't all perhaps agree with everything she said but she's one of a new breed of MPs which I would really like to see a lot more of, left or right wing.

Yes I quite liked her as well, the mere fact she actually had opinions and would state them set her apart from most politicians at the moment. A biproduct of that is plenty would disagree with her but so be it.

By 'losing her isnt Camerons problem' I meant his more pressing concern is an incredibly difficult by-election in Corby in November. Mensch held a very marginal seat and to be honest I would expect Labour to walk it. After Clegg's toy throwing today, its something Cameron could do without.

[Lost_BMW]

sjg said:

Not enough time for her kids, but plenty of time to develop and launch ill-thought-out social media sites? OK then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18518162

Sounds like an unnecessary cut down version...



... of the Gassing Station!


Was she a secret PistonHead?

[martin84]

I wonder if there's any Metallica related puns to be had from this story.

'Wherever She May Roam' or something like that.

Ignore me* I'm just rambling now.








Yes I know you always do anyway.*

[anonymous-user]

StephenM44 said:

martin84 said:

...losing Mensch isn't really Cameron's problem.

I think losing her is our problem, she's one of very few MPs who had a chance of going further without being there simply to tow the party line and keep her snout in the trough. She was individual and outspoken . . . we don't all perhaps agree with everything she said but she's one of a new breed of MPs which I would really like to see a lot more of, left or right wing.

There was a play on R4 on Sunday and one phrase struck me . . . something like "The greater the difference between you and the rest, the more they hate you and the ones who hate the most are the least intelligent". I think this applies to MPs these days, they are, on the whole, a collection of yes men, all deeply involved in one faction or another, following whoever they think might give them a better seat or deal in 3-5 years time, very few of them thinking of their country and people. Louise Mensch was a little bit different and definitely stood out from the crowd so collected more than her fair share of idiots, haters and loony critics.

I am interested that you see her in that light. What exactly has she done that is out of the ordinary, refreshing, effective, etc etc?

To me she seems nothing significantly different except she is more than normally interested in her own celebrity and status than some. I appreciate that this is not an unusual characteristic for an MP.

I have honestly never seen her make an 'individual' or 'outspoken' statement unless it has been on HIGNFY or in select committee before the cameras, and it always seemed to support my view not yours.

IMHO.

[V8mate]

REALIST123 said:

I have honestly never seen her make an 'individual' or 'outspoken' statement unless it has been on HIGNFY or in select committee before the cameras, and it always seemed to support my view not yours.

Just two weeks ago she hit the headlines for her outburst at the IOC for not delivering a memorial silence for the Israeli athletes murdered in 1972.

[Pickled Piper]

She has got tired of not being centre of attention for a couple of weeks and so has flounced off to do something more interesting.

pp

[Blue62]

StephenM44 said:

I think losing her is our problem, she's one of very few MPs who had a chance of going further without being there simply to tow the party line and keep her snout in the trough. She was individual and outspoken . . . we don't all perhaps agree with everything she said but she's one of a new breed of MPs which I would really like to see a lot more of, left or right wing.

There was a play on R4 on Sunday and one phrase struck me . . . something like "The greater the difference between you and the rest, the more they hate you and the ones who hate the most are the least intelligent". I think this applies to MPs these days, they are, on the whole, a collection of yes men, all deeply involved in one faction or another, following whoever they think might give them a better seat or deal in 3-5 years time, very few of them thinking of their country and people. Louise Mensch was a little bit different and definitely stood out from the crowd so collected more than her fair share of idiots, haters and loony critics.

Agree with your general point about MP's, but she's honestly never struck me as anything special, other than her ability to find the limelight. One of the new breed that the old guard despise, but I really don't think that the world of politricks will be any poorer for the loss.

[StephenM44]

REALIST123 said:

StephenM44 said:

martin84 said:

...losing Mensch isn't really Cameron's problem.

I think losing her is our problem, she's one of very few MPs who had a chance of going further without being there simply to tow the party line and keep her snout in the trough. She was individual and outspoken . . . we don't all perhaps agree with everything she said but she's one of a new breed of MPs which I would really like to see a lot more of, left or right wing.

There was a play on R4 on Sunday and one phrase struck me . . . something like "The greater the difference between you and the rest, the more they hate you and the ones who hate the most are the least intelligent". I think this applies to MPs these days, they are, on the whole, a collection of yes men, all deeply involved in one faction or another, following whoever they think might give them a better seat or deal in 3-5 years time, very few of them thinking of their country and people. Louise Mensch was a little bit different and definitely stood out from the crowd so collected more than her fair share of idiots, haters and loony critics.

I am interested that you see her in that light. What exactly has she done that is out of the ordinary, refreshing, effective, etc etc?

To me she seems nothing significantly different except she is more than normally interested in her own celebrity and status than some. I appreciate that this is not an unusual characteristic for an MP.

I have honestly never seen her make an 'individual' or 'outspoken' statement unless it has been on HIGNFY or in select committee before the cameras, and it always seemed to support my view not yours.

IMHO.

I didn't suggest she was perfect The bulk of politicians in the UK (I'll be told off for using a generalisation I'm sure) are middle aged men, over weight, keen to tow the party line, many of them would struggle to get a job in industry but most importantly most of them seem to exist in a self centred, Westminster centred bubble where things like Lords reform is more important than the economy or housing or the health service. There are many like this who are significantly detached from the real world and simply can't do an effective job representing people like me because they have too much of a vested interested in being part of the machinery and trundling along quietly.

Louise Mensch was, in my view, not from that family of MPs, she was different, spoke her mind, was intelligent and articulate and appeared to stand up for what she believed in, wasn't afraid to poke her head above the parapet. That's not common these days.

[Mermaid]

StephenM44 said:

..Louise Mensch was, in my view, not from that family of MPs, she was different, spoke her mind, was intelligent and articulate and appeared to stand up for what she believed in, wasn't afraid to poke her head above the parapet. That's not common these days.

She is ambitious. Westminster did not have much more for her.