Winnie Johnson Dies
Discussion
I wouldn't want to appear, even for a second, to be in any way pro-Brady but playing devils advocate for a moment - what if it is simply the case that he can't remember?
Also, him & Myra were despicable enough to torture & kill 5 young children so even if isn't the case that he can't remember I can't see how he would suddenly show compassion either now or in the 40-odd years he has spent in prison telling police/relatives where the body is.
Hope Brady gets cancer and takes a long time to pass away, suffering immense pain every day.
Also, him & Myra were despicable enough to torture & kill 5 young children so even if isn't the case that he can't remember I can't see how he would suddenly show compassion either now or in the 40-odd years he has spent in prison telling police/relatives where the body is.
Hope Brady gets cancer and takes a long time to pass away, suffering immense pain every day.
Jockman said:
It doesn't just merit thought.....it is actually happening.
As Murph notes, he is being forced fed instead of being allowed to starve to death as he wants.
Life to him is a slow and painful death.
I should imagine having a tube shoved up your nose and gloop forced down your throat for an hour a day isn't fun.As Murph notes, he is being forced fed instead of being allowed to starve to death as he wants.
Life to him is a slow and painful death.
Murph7355 said:
longshot said:
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I know moors land isn't like farmland ...
Understatement of the year.I know moors land isn't like farmland ...
If you apply infinite people with infinite time to any problem it can be solved. Two slight problems with that though.
Which does not detract from how tragic the situation is. Brady and Hindley really were nasty pieces of work, and infinite pain inflicted upon them would not be enough (if that makes me uncivilised, so be it).
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k me that's going to be really hard and time consuming so fk it, we won't bother.Nasa have just spent millions on a Rover and probably billions to get it to the surface of Mars.
Why? To satisfy our curiosity about the red planet, to poke and prod some rocks and give us information which is of no practical purpose whatsoever.
We can do all of that but can't have the humanity to find a little lost lad.
I ask the question of you then. What if it was your lad out there?
Would you do all you could to persuade another search for him or just say f
k it?oobster said:
I wouldn't want to appear, even for a second, to be in any way pro-Brady but playing devils advocate for a moment - what if it is simply the case that he can't remember?
Also, him & Myra were despicable enough to torture & kill 5 young children so even if isn't the case that he can't remember I can't see how he would suddenly show compassion either now or in the 40-odd years he has spent in prison telling police/relatives where the body is.
Hope Brady gets cancer and takes a long time to pass away, suffering immense pain every day.
I would suggest there is every chance he can't remember. I can't help but think he's just playing to the gallery, torturing the woman in the same way he tortured kids, and getting a kick out of it. It is quite probable that he's enjoying, in his own corrupted way, the attention he receives by being force fed (false fed?). If he wasn't he'd be just some nutter.Also, him & Myra were despicable enough to torture & kill 5 young children so even if isn't the case that he can't remember I can't see how he would suddenly show compassion either now or in the 40-odd years he has spent in prison telling police/relatives where the body is.
Hope Brady gets cancer and takes a long time to pass away, suffering immense pain every day.
aryastark said:
Not sure if I've missed something, but why not torture the little ste until he tells all?...
I can't claim this as 100%, but she have the impression of having great dignity and just wanted her son back for a Christian burial. I doubt even she, with the most reason to employ your method, wanted to.te until he tells all?...The so-called "advocate" who claimed to have the revelatory letter and then allegedly gave it back is a contemptible person, parading around the apparent knowledge and then getting rid of it. Either the letter existed, and giving it back was disgusting, or it was a fabrication, even more despicable.
longshot said:
So that's it is it?
fk me that's going to be really hard and time consuming so fk it, we won't bother.
Nasa have just spent millions on a Rover and probably billions to get it to the surface of Mars.
Why? To satisfy our curiosity about the red planet, to poke and prod some rocks and give us information which is of no practical purpose whatsoever.
We can do all of that but can't have the humanity to find a little lost lad.
I ask the question of you then. What if it was your lad out there?
Would you do all you could to persuade another search for him or just say fk it?
I genuinely have no idea how I'd feel if it were a relative of mine. f
k me that's going to be really hard and time consuming so fk it, we won't bother.Nasa have just spent millions on a Rover and probably billions to get it to the surface of Mars.
Why? To satisfy our curiosity about the red planet, to poke and prod some rocks and give us information which is of no practical purpose whatsoever.
We can do all of that but can't have the humanity to find a little lost lad.
I ask the question of you then. What if it was your lad out there?
Would you do all you could to persuade another search for him or just say f
k it?I don't think I hold sufficient store in "christian burial" to make that particular element of the situation add any more trauma to the fact that the relative was tortured and murdered. When someone's gone, they're gone. And placing a physical body in a different place doesn't change that and I don't think would "help" me (which is not to dismiss those who do gain some comfort from this of course).
Perhaps this marks me out as something uncivilised, but in this hypothetical situation I think I would much sooner the resources were expended on ensuring Brady suffered a million times worse than he made my relative suffer.
If you haven't been, you really should go to the moors. Try walking across their length and breadth. Have a go at digging some of it up - see how deep you can go. Understand what much of it is made of and how that makes the difficulty factor even harder.
This isn't digging up your back garden. Without being able to narrow the search area down confidently to a very small area (relatively), I can't begin to think how much manpower you would need and what sort of costs would be racked up. Taking the emotion out of it, who should pay that bill?
Murph7355 said:
I genuinely have no idea how I'd feel if it were a relative of mine.
I don't think I hold sufficient store in "christian burial" to make that particular element of the situation add any more trauma to the fact that the relative was tortured and murdered. When someone's gone, they're gone. And placing a physical body in a different place doesn't change that and I don't think would "help" me (which is not to dismiss those who do gain some comfort from this of course).
Perhaps this marks me out as something uncivilised, but in this hypothetical situation I think I would much sooner the resources were expended on ensuring Brady suffered a million times worse than he made my relative suffer.
If you haven't been, you really should go to the moors. Try walking across their length and breadth. Have a go at digging some of it up - see how deep you can go. Understand what much of it is made of and how that makes the difficulty factor even harder.
This isn't digging up your back garden. Without being able to narrow the search area down confidently to a very small area (relatively), I can't begin to think how much manpower you would need and what sort of costs would be racked up. Taking the emotion out of it, who should pay that bill?
To a certain extent I share your opinion.I don't think I hold sufficient store in "christian burial" to make that particular element of the situation add any more trauma to the fact that the relative was tortured and murdered. When someone's gone, they're gone. And placing a physical body in a different place doesn't change that and I don't think would "help" me (which is not to dismiss those who do gain some comfort from this of course).
Perhaps this marks me out as something uncivilised, but in this hypothetical situation I think I would much sooner the resources were expended on ensuring Brady suffered a million times worse than he made my relative suffer.
If you haven't been, you really should go to the moors. Try walking across their length and breadth. Have a go at digging some of it up - see how deep you can go. Understand what much of it is made of and how that makes the difficulty factor even harder.
This isn't digging up your back garden. Without being able to narrow the search area down confidently to a very small area (relatively), I can't begin to think how much manpower you would need and what sort of costs would be racked up. Taking the emotion out of it, who should pay that bill?
I don't really care what happens to me when I die. They could put me in the bin for all I care, but obviously to the Bennett family it does.
I also think it would draw a line under the murders and would probably piss Brady off big time as his bargaining tool/opportunity to continue the torture/keeping himself in the public eye would be removed and he would finally, hopefully, become just a sad old con rotting away wherever he is.
I have been to the moors a long time ago.
I believe there are parts that are mobile but the majority is stable and stationary.
Modern technology could be used on these areas to discover disturbed ground but as you say it would untimately require significant manpower to complete the task.
As for paying for it..I don't know.
I do believe that the public interest in this is considerable and I believe that a large volunteer army could be created to offer some help.
I just distresses me that he's still out there. It always has and I fear that with Winnies passing, Keith's last chance may have died with her.
There's so many books, tv programmes, newspaper stories, one day no doubt a film about it.
It still holds a lot of interest for people. I fonly we could turn that interest into action.
It's unfinished business while he's up there.
Edited by longshot on Saturday 18th August 22:42
longshot said:
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Modern technology could be used on these areas to discover disturbed ground ...
Disturbed 40yrs ago? I admire your faith in modern technology. Modern technology could be used on these areas to discover disturbed ground ...
longshot said:
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It's unfinished business while he's up there....
Isn't that just a state of mind though?It's unfinished business while he's up there....
His killers were brought to justice. If there is an afterlife, hopefully that fact alone will see him at rest. And surely that is the most important factor?
Maybe Brady will give up the location at some point. If he does, I hope the info he gives is correct and that the boy's remains can be found. I doubt it will happen though sadly.
This is the map from the wiki about the murders. the large area already searched would suggest that using something (ground penetrating radar a la Time team would be my guess) to try to detect disturbed ground might only turn up what the police did back in the eighties.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moors_murders_map.jpg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moors_murders_map.jpg
For anyone interested in the search for keith as I am , then pls have a look at the site
http://www.searchingforkeith.com/
http://www.searchingforkeith.com/
longshot said:
So that's it is it?
fk me that's going to be really hard and time consuming so fk it, we won't bother.
Nasa have just spent millions on a Rover and probably billions to get it to the surface of Mars.
Why? To satisfy our curiosity about the red planet, to poke and prod some rocks and give us information which is of no practical purpose whatsoever.
We can do all of that but can't have the humanity to find a little lost lad.
I ask the question of you then. What if it was your lad out there?
Would you do all you could to persuade another search for him or just say fk it?
Do you think NASA and the American taxpayer should be tasked with searching these moors then?f
k me that's going to be really hard and time consuming so fk it, we won't bother.Nasa have just spent millions on a Rover and probably billions to get it to the surface of Mars.
Why? To satisfy our curiosity about the red planet, to poke and prod some rocks and give us information which is of no practical purpose whatsoever.
We can do all of that but can't have the humanity to find a little lost lad.
I ask the question of you then. What if it was your lad out there?
Would you do all you could to persuade another search for him or just say f
k it?Eric Mc said:
longshot said:
So that's it is it?
fk me that's going to be really hard and time consuming so fk it, we won't bother.
Nasa have just spent millions on a Rover and probably billions to get it to the surface of Mars.
Why? To satisfy our curiosity about the red planet, to poke and prod some rocks and give us information which is of no practical purpose whatsoever.
We can do all of that but can't have the humanity to find a little lost lad.
I ask the question of you then. What if it was your lad out there?
Would you do all you could to persuade another search for him or just say fk it?
Do you think NASA and the American taxpayer should be tasked with searching these moors then?f
k me that's going to be really hard and time consuming so fk it, we won't bother.Nasa have just spent millions on a Rover and probably billions to get it to the surface of Mars.
Why? To satisfy our curiosity about the red planet, to poke and prod some rocks and give us information which is of no practical purpose whatsoever.
We can do all of that but can't have the humanity to find a little lost lad.
I ask the question of you then. What if it was your lad out there?
Would you do all you could to persuade another search for him or just say f
k it?
I was demonstrating the amazing things that the human race is capable of and the endless amounts of money that we spend on them simply to satisfy our curiosity, yet finding a lad whose location is pretty much known, is beyond us because of a shortage of cash and interest.
Sending a probe to Mars cannot be simpler than finding keith Bennett, yet that we have done and he is still lost.
It's a redundant argument really as we all know that as a species we have transient care and passion reserved for what's in the headlines on that particular day.
Sending a probe to Mars cannot be simpler than finding keith Bennett, yet that we have done and he is still lost.
It's a redundant argument really as we all know that as a species we have transient care and passion reserved for what's in the headlines on that particular day.
Eric Mc said:
Still don't see any connection between the two whatsoever. You might as well connect the failure to find the lad with the world bog snorkelling championships.
To be honest, give me a Mars Rover anytime.
There is no connection between the two.To be honest, give me a Mars Rover anytime.
The comparison/discussion was regarding the seeming lack of effort being put in to the task of locating a childs body in a known location and the huge international human and financial effort being put in to dispatching a probe to Mars.
I agree, the mars probe is a great idea, but, closer to home, is it not possible to locate one little dead boy and bury him properly. Burying him properly will bring closure to the family and will p
s off Mr Brady and I think both are very important.I fXXXXXg hate this keyboard
Edited by Getragdogleg on Sunday 26th August 20:48
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