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More than that though, society has encouraged children to view themselves in a completely different way to when I was young in the 60s and 70s. The reason we didn't have rights then was because we didn't have responsibilities.
Corporal punishment was available in school but the best teachers didn't need it.
ETA are there fewer male teachers now and does that make a diffeence?
Colonial said:
Dixie68 said:
To turn it around then, Colonial, where do you stand on parents disciplining their children?
Depends on what you mean by disciplining. Beatings don't tend to get good results. I got severe talking too. The worst thing I have done is speeding.
There is a line between discipline and violence as the last refuge of those intellectually unable to discipline through other means.
ETA: I think we actually both agree here but are coming at it from different sides
Edited by Dixie68 on Friday 1st March 15:32
Colonial said:
Dixie68 said:
To turn it around then, Colonial, where do you stand on parents disciplining their children?
Depends on what you mean by disciplining. Beatings don't tend to get good results. I got severe talking too. The worst thing I have done is speeding.
There is a line between discipline and violence as the last refuge of those intellectually unable to discipline through other means.
In your case, a severe talking to was evidently enough. No-one is suggesting that the cane should be the punishment of first resort. But persistant offenders can quickly get used to severe talkings to. And the idea of the sort of behaviour we hear about these days being controlled with verbal admonishments doesn't sound likely to produce the desired effect.
vodkalolly said:
They are certainly failing their child but there are 2 other things missing here. One the community element which in the past got in behind and supported the school which employed dedicated teachers striving to give the community a better education, therefore anyone kicking against the school would be outside the community. Two, the standard of the authorities was such that they were respected by most if not all individuals. Now we have no comminities as such, thanks to Thatcher mostly, and we have no respect for authorities because they consist of vermin mostly with their snouts in the trough from the very top (air miles andy) to the very bottom Councillor brown envelope.
Sorry, but that's just b
ks. During the 80s and 90s virtually everyone in the street I grew up on knew each other. For 20 years the face of the street rarely changed (unless the pensioners in the street died off at which point new families bought their properties). Then we got to the 2000s and the housing market went nuts and suddenly people started upgrading to bigger houses and moving away and the houses that were sold in that same street went to BTL landlords. Most of these were tenancies that lasted maybe three years top and sometimes as little as 12 months. The result is a street where there's a high turnover of tenants every few years and people rarely get to know each other. Oakey said:
Sorry, but that's just bks. During the 80s and 90s virtually everyone in the street I grew up on knew each other. For 20 years the face of the street rarely changed (unless the pensioners in the street died off at which point new families bought their properties). Then we got to the 2000s and the housing market went nuts and suddenly people started upgrading to bigger houses and moving away and the houses that were sold in that same street went to BTL landlords. Most of these were tenancies that lasted maybe three years top and sometimes as little as 12 months. The result is a street where there's a high turnover of tenants every few years and people rarely get to know each other.
+1ks. During the 80s and 90s virtually everyone in the street I grew up on knew each other. For 20 years the face of the street rarely changed (unless the pensioners in the street died off at which point new families bought their properties). Then we got to the 2000s and the housing market went nuts and suddenly people started upgrading to bigger houses and moving away and the houses that were sold in that same street went to BTL landlords. Most of these were tenancies that lasted maybe three years top and sometimes as little as 12 months. The result is a street where there's a high turnover of tenants every few years and people rarely get to know each other. I suspect Oakey is from the area as he had commentated in the past on some local issues ?
The problem here in the school concerned is that the Headteacher and staff have had to work hard to improve the school with an ashtonishing lack of interest / co operation from many of the parents of kids that go there.
Oh and the BTL let market locally has been hijacked by a large amount of truly awful landlords all too easy for the quick buck and all too easily helped by local council policy. that is starting to be addressed actually but the damage has been done.
Oh the gentleman who commentated about TVR's being built here (sorry forgot your name and don't want to go back to check may be interested to know the last plans for the old TVR factory were to have an ice rink there.
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/lifestyle/barrie...
TVR brings back memories ranging from me taking pictures of the bodyshells laying in the yard when I was walking home from school to going into the factory to see a mate who worked there to spending a pleasant 2 hours in a pub in town chatting to a guy who had just dropped his off for servicing and I offered him space in my cab as I was going into town and he seemed lost - must be early 90's now that though.
The latest local stuff about the school:
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/community/commun...
Oh the gentleman who commentated about TVR's being built here (sorry forgot your name and don't want to go back to check may be interested to know the last plans for the old TVR factory were to have an ice rink there.
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/lifestyle/barrie...
TVR brings back memories ranging from me taking pictures of the bodyshells laying in the yard when I was walking home from school to going into the factory to see a mate who worked there to spending a pleasant 2 hours in a pub in town chatting to a guy who had just dropped his off for servicing and I offered him space in my cab as I was going into town and he seemed lost - must be early 90's now that though.
The latest local stuff about the school:
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/community/commun...
Edited by daveydave7 on Friday 1st March 16:25
As ive said before, post operative abortions for the little rat children and spaying the parents with spades. I have nothing positive to add, thanks to the way we've all become serious wkers and how parents now view their spawn as a reason to think highly of themselves and that their little sprogs can do no wrong has seriously put me off every having kids of my own. Maybe its just angry young man syndrome, but i had a st time at school when i was young, id hate to think what my kids would have to put up with, with all the potential footballers drolling and dragging their knuckles around about them.
kers and how parents now view their spawn as a reason to think highly of themselves and that their little sprogs can do no wrong has seriously put me off every having kids of my own. Maybe its just angry young man syndrome, but i had a st time at school when i was young, id hate to think what my kids would have to put up with, with all the potential footballers drolling and dragging their knuckles around about them.Sticks. said:
ETA are there fewer male teachers now and does that make a diffeence?
I have not yet bred and have no plans to (the world is safe for now) but on occasions where I'm socialising with those who have sprogs, one of the most significant differences that paying for private education makes (so I'm told) is that there are more male teachers.This is, apparently, viewed by both male and female parents as a 'good thing' and tends, perhaps, to suggest not necessarily that women are crap teachers IMHO, but more that there is a critical female staff mass/ration, above which the dynamic falls down.
When dropping HalfPints mk1 at school this morning, the headmistress was stood at the school gate, merrily greeting the pupils as they arrived.
How very different that was from my days in the classroom, where the headmaster was revered and feared from a healthy distance. Much the same for the teachers, for whom we held a healthy respect, because failure to hold the door open for them or greet in the appropriate manner was sufficient to receive a clip around the ear and an afternoon in detention or pulling up weeds.
How very different that was from my days in the classroom, where the headmaster was revered and feared from a healthy distance. Much the same for the teachers, for whom we held a healthy respect, because failure to hold the door open for them or greet in the appropriate manner was sufficient to receive a clip around the ear and an afternoon in detention or pulling up weeds.
Digga said:
have not yet bred and have no plans to (the world is safe for now) but on occasions where I'm socialising with those who have sprogs, one of the most significant differences that paying for private education makes (so I'm told) is that there are more male teachers.
This is, apparently, viewed by both male and female parents as a 'good thing' and tends, perhaps, to suggest not necessarily that women are crap teachers IMHO, but more that there is a critical female staff mass/ration, above which the dynamic falls down.
Our first (of three) children now goes to private school. Paying for what I got free at state school when I was a kid. Does fek me off that I have to bankrupt myself just to get what my taxes should be paying for. This is, apparently, viewed by both male and female parents as a 'good thing' and tends, perhaps, to suggest not necessarily that women are crap teachers IMHO, but more that there is a critical female staff mass/ration, above which the dynamic falls down.
The kids are polite, nicely dressed, interested in learning and there are plenty of male teachers plus they learn stuff that is no longer on the state curriculam but was back in my day.
croyde said:
Digga said:
have not yet bred and have no plans to (the world is safe for now) but on occasions where I'm socialising with those who have sprogs, one of the most significant differences that paying for private education makes (so I'm told) is that there are more male teachers.
This is, apparently, viewed by both male and female parents as a 'good thing' and tends, perhaps, to suggest not necessarily that women are crap teachers IMHO, but more that there is a critical female staff mass/ratio, above which the dynamic falls down.
Our first (of three) children now goes to private school. Paying for what I got free at state school when I was a kid. Does fek me off that I have to bankrupt myself just to get what my taxes should be paying for. This is, apparently, viewed by both male and female parents as a 'good thing' and tends, perhaps, to suggest not necessarily that women are crap teachers IMHO, but more that there is a critical female staff mass/ratio, above which the dynamic falls down.
The kids are polite, nicely dressed, interested in learning and there are plenty of male teachers...
The gradual feminising of curriculum and assessment has been more subtle.
Oakey said:
Given that parents can receive DLA and Mobility for having kids with ADHD I do wonder how much that affects the pressure on GPs by parents to diagnose their horrible brat with ADHD.
The answer is...loads. Mrs and I work in education and this is how thick the agencies are that diagnose autism and ADHD that liaise with the school.... woman says to my Mrs, "I don't know what it is about this area, but we have had loads of cases of kids being brought for testing". I do...it's the fact they get extra benefits and a carers allowance for looking after their own kids if they can get them diagnosed.Oakey said:
Given that parents can receive DLA and Mobility for having kids with ADHD I do wonder how much that affects the pressure on GPs by parents to diagnose their horrible brat with ADHD.
The occurrence of SEN pupils in English schools is five times the EU average 'because of chronic over-diagnosis by teachers' and 'a system of skewed incentives has encouraged schools to over-classify children as an excuse for poor performance'.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews...
williamp said:
do teachers really do the diagnosis?? I'm very surprised. if that is the case.
http://www.specialeducationalneeds.co.uk/UsefulInformation/SEN-EducationInfo/SchoolAction.htmlhttp://www.tes.co.uk/teaching-resource/Criteria-fo...
Jean Gross a former government adviser on children with speech language and communication needs complains that some schools use the SEN register as an explanation of failure
Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 2nd March 09:10
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